Attended numerous presentations by Ray. Thought he was sharp, he wasn't the first person that I had heard deliver the asset protection message. I would suggest before you demonize Ray you read The Federal Mafia"", and see the YouTube video ""Ex-IRS Agent tells it like it is"" as well as research the case of Whitey Harrell. Ray surprised me with his arrogance, it was unnecessary when you know your stuff. He cussed out one woman at the end of the presentation, when a woman asked a question at the end of the presentation as the room was emptying out. He spoke in a disrespectful manner to woman old enough to be his mother when she asked if she could give him deposit and bring the rest to the training. It upset me to the point I wanted to put my hands on him. I think his engineer saw the look on my face and engaged me in conversation to diffuse what he perceived.
I remembered that he mentioned some record he achieved in the martial arts, but I too had not only 2 Black Belts...I had over 30 years in the arts most of them as an instructor.
There were two separate occasions when someone interrupted a conversation I was having with another guest as if I was going to convince her to buy from me. On the alternate incident someone followed us to the side walk outside the hotel and asked if we had received a business card from a gentleman who represented another corporate consultant organization.
I thought wow, if your stuff is that good why would you have to chase people down as if they were not free to choose whom they wanted to work with.
Trained as a Paralegal [Century Business College, Los Angeles] I drafted my own Articles and formed an entity on my own. I did not have to charge as much as he would have, though I did not have the overhead either.
When I attended a presentation at his headquarters in Anaheim, he became sarcastic when I asked a question that he misunderstood. I asked him could he teach how to acquired a co-branded credit card and he said he told us he could show us how to get a corporate card and said something about stupidity or some crack. When I asked the people sitting behind me did they understand what I had asked and they thought he was being his usual obnoxious self and shared with me after the meeting some things they had experienced...they were spending money with him and were holding out to get their results so they could be done with him.
Karma is a ""B"" at the end of the day. Maybe he will have found the discipline the arts were supposed to have taught him. And maybe he can apologize to his family because he Brought The PAIN HOME - and his commercials and presentations said that the reason why you form a corporation is to avoid bringing the pain home.
The information is out there so do your own research. Nolo Press has good material as does Made E-Z [extremely easy to understand] and there are other sources (especially in LA's Central 'Downtown' Library)
God Bless You All and much success to aspiring and active entrepreneurs."