Reviews – Legit or Scam?


Fortune is an online education website that teaches its members the ins and outs of real estate investing.  Run by Than Merrill, Paul Esajian, and JD Esajian of A&E’s “Flip This House,” FortuneBuilders claims to have courses available to people of all levels of real estate investment experience.

Though this may seem like an odd time to become involved with real estate investment, fans of the show “Flip This House” understand that the concept behind Merrill’s investment theory is buying homes cheaply and finding ways to quickly and affordably fix them up for a solid profit return on your investment.

How Does FortuneBuilders Work?

Fortune Builders functions completely as an educational company.  Working with professionals in every aspect of the real estate industry, their course curriculum covers a wide range of real estate related topics, including but not limited to what to look for when buying an investment property, what remodeling projects offer good investment returns, how to deal with the tax implications of quickly buying and selling property, and how to successfully market and sell your property when the time comes.

Having recently been written up in Inc. magazine, FortuneBuilders is growing quickly.  Perhaps one of the best reasons why is the wide variety of ways they handle their classes.  You can take an in person seminar from one of the three owners or many faculty members referred to as a 4 Day Bootcamp seminar, which is a type of crash course to being successful in the real estate industry.

In addition to that, Merrill himself offers a brand new webinar each week on a topic relevant to investing in today’s volatile real estate market.  They also offer eBooks and online classes, in addition to a selection of DVD series on a variety of topics.

Finally, they offer the FortuneBuilders Mastery Implementation Coaching Program to a select group of members at a time. This series includes in-depth training from a variety of professionals who have been and continue to be successful in the real estate industry.

Is FortuneBuilders Right For You?

Fortune Builders claims to work with people of all different levels of experience, but what they aren’t clear about on their web page is what sort of resources you must have at your disposal to begin a career in real estate investing.

A quick glance of their DVD training series will be enough to stop many people, as the DVD training courses are priced at $1,197.00 each.  A further investigation shows that investing in many of their coaching programs often requires investments of thousands of dollars.

Though prices in the housing market as low as they’ve been in years, you’ll still need the time and money to purchase, fix up, and a market a home.  As these figures vary widely from region to region and project to project, Fortune Builders wisely makes no promises as to what is required from you for potential success.  But it does seem fairly clear that being serious about switching to a career in real estate investing will certainly require some significant investment capital.

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Average Rating for " Fortune Builders " is 2.75 out of 5 based on 113 reviews.

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    GrandmaEllie says:

    June 16th, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    Yeah, the speaker also mentioned God and…well, a line to get self motivation (or lack of hooked). I won’t try to get my 70$ down back per se but its justifiable I can’t “afford” the remaining 130$ which isn’t the last, behind another tidalwave upsell. Those informercials are as objectively comical as Androzene late nites. Remember Vintage Tom Vu. Yeah…laugh it all off.

  • Former FB employee says:

    May 7th, 2017 at 10:02 pm

    Mike, this is regarding the federal trade commission investigation. I have a lot of information I’d like to provide. Please respond with your contact information.

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    mellisa Ray says:

    February 19th, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    thanks for all of the comments in this room,
    I am sure that I’ve learned more in about FB in one hour than I’ll ever learn in three days thanks I’m not going to waste my time in the three class.

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    Smarter Not Harder in Louisville says:

    February 17th, 2017 at 1:47 am

    In reading so many varied reviews on here, I decided to put in my honest, cautious but smart 2 cents experience/opinion about Fortune Builders. I attended the 2 hr seminar back in March 2016 and then decided to go ahead and spend the almost $200 for the 3 day and attended that in October 2016. Me- I’m a 25yr RN raising 3 grandkids by myself. I am not ashamed to work hard, which I believe is the only real way to get anywhere regardless of the business you are in. I love Nursing, but my life has been quite overwhelming for a couple of yrs now and the only way to change it is to make a change. The Seminar- I did get a lot of information from the seminar and yes there is some fluff to get interest in the Mastery Program. I never felt pressured to do anything. In fact the speaker was extremely motivating, regardless if I chose to do anything in real estate or something else. I utilized some of the break times, etc to talk individually with the speaker and others from Co that were there. I asked questions and they answered. I did NOT do the Mastery program as I have no money or credit cards and even they did not feel it would be fiscally responsible to do anything with retirement funds. I expressed continued interest to learn from them. They gave me some suggestions to start looking at learning from. Approx a week after the seminar someone called from there and I have talking to her 1-2 times a week since then. I have NOT given them any money. She is working with me in baby steps to be able to start a business and she emphasizes being fiscally responsible. Overall- Any change is somewhat of a risk, a bit scary, and exciting. I remain cautious, but open. They have not given me any reason to doubt they are assisting me and hope that I will be successful. I have no complaints at this time as they have been helpful and I hope to continue moving forward. I hope this helps someone out there in their decision to work with Fortune Builders to make a change in their life.

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    Duped says:

    February 14th, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    I paid $25K and frankly it wont work for the average person. They target people with the resources and then do the heavy sell. I wish I knew I could have gotten my money back . I had a family emergency right after I paid the money and have been unable to make this program work. I cant get money with no money down and bandit signs are illegal in most communities.

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    Reginald Lee says:

    January 14th, 2017 at 2:43 am

    FB is currently advertising to come back to my city (Kansas City, Mo) next week and I feel compelled to alert anyone planning or thinking about attending. First, if you think Than Merrill will be leading the seminar (as he implies i his commercials) its not going to happen. You will only see Than on a video they will show you. Second, unless you have a large amount of money, BEWARE. They will tell you about purchasing property using other people’s money, what they will not tell you is that it is rare to find a true 100% lender, in most cases you will need either your own money or find a secondary or “gap” lender to complete your transaction. I can tell you from experience finding a secondary lender, while possible, is not easy to find. Keep in mind the use of a secondary lender also takes away from your profit margin. What they also do not emphasize in the class is the cost involved in starting and maintaining your own company, the cost of advertising, getting and maintaining a real estate license, to put it simple you need money. All this is in addition to the cost Fortune Builders charges to join. And also know they will teach you about systems they have and use such as RealFlow and the credit building companies they use (which are at additional costs). We joined in November of 2015 and to date we have yet to find a property to sell, rehab or hold. I short we have paid out more than we have earned (to date we have earned $0.00). Unfortunately we fell for the hype, used our savings to join only to find out we needed more and more money to just keep going, money we don’t have. So I want to do what FB won’t do which is to fully educate anyone thinking about signing up so you can make a truly informed decision. Once they get you passed the 2 hour seminar into the next class they will finally drop the true dollar amounts needed to join and while they advertise they are looking for “a small group of investor” they are truly looking for as many people that will agree to pay. Bottom line, unless you have a large amount of capital set aside to spend, steer clear away. They will inundate you with info and stories that you will never relate to.


    johnny says:
    February 5th, 2017 at 5:48 am

    hahaha yeah right.. thanks for educating us in not falling for their SCAM, I believe you and I’d rather save my money than wasting it away on false advertising from greedy people that just want to take your money.


    Reginald Lee says:
    January 30th, 2017 at 8:40 pm


    After my post I did have a chance to speak with someone at the company and they were very open to my feedback and very helpful with my concerns. I look forward to continuing my education with them.

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    It's all Love says:

    October 9th, 2016 at 8:30 am

    All of you that are concerned, please take time and Google “Trump University”. Read up on it and you will find shocking similarities to the Fortune Builders set up. From there, use your own judgement on how to proceed, but I still believe that information discussed in the 3 day course can already be found online for free.

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    Joe says:

    July 5th, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    I have attended similar seminars. Knowledge is one piece of any process. ANYTHING you can make money doing you can lose the same amount.

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    Mary Davis says:

    May 29th, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    I enjoyed the 3-day seminar an abundance of great information. I’m definitely not going to complain about $197,people are walking around with shoes that cost more than that and don’t have money in a checking or savings account. Kick started my drive again. I’m not a plant, I am a veteran of the United States Army who’s deployed twice, medically retired for a chronic condition that forced me into a new lifestyle that I didn’t have a plan for. If you didn’t sign up for the mastery course and failed to say it doesn’t work is interesting. To those that say the seminar was a waste of money and you don’t have passive income, tell me how what you’ve been doing is better. Kudos to the Fortune Builders team who held the recent, seminar in Norfolk, VA this past 2016 Memorial Day weekend!


    shan says:
    August 23rd, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    Good comments

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    Dave Anderson says:

    May 25th, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    greatest educational company and totally does whats best for the students


    Jckof says:
    January 4th, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    If you done have money or credit it is a scam.

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    BWS says:

    April 9th, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    I attended the 3 day seminar with a price of $197.00. I knew going in that they would try to upsell me on the Mastery Program, so I didn’t feel at all like I was scammed. I attended based on the free 2 hour seminar they had put on. I wouldn’t have attended, but they showed a slide of the material that would be covered. I wanted information on all of the topics covered so I immediately signed up. Yes, I could have gotten all of the presented information for free by looking on the Internet, but it was all here, presented in 1 place all at once. I experienced none of the negative experiences that a lot of users here had. I think it mostly had to do with the individual presenter. Our presenter was Ralph Plumb. Yes, he has his own personal bias toward the information bring presented, but he was not at all pushy about it. I found him to be an excellent public speaker, he was knowledgeable and very energetic throughout the entire 3 day event. I would highly recommend this program to anyone curious about getting into real estate, especially if Ralph Plumb would be the individual presenting.

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    summer sun says:

    April 7th, 2016 at 8:28 am

    After attending the seminar

    I did not realize nor did I see the above reviews I paid the money I need to see as they promised with in 2 weeks if we are not satisfied with the course will they as promised refund your money back .Does anyone gone thru this If it is a credible organization that would not be a question

    some one help in this matter


    Than says:
    April 8th, 2016 at 12:10 am

    This is Than and I am one of the founders of FortuneBuilders.

    We have been in business for over ten years coaching and training thousands of real estate investors from around the country. We have a return policy for our workshops and we have always honored that policy with all of our customers.

    If anyone ever has any questions or concerns please call us or email us. We will always make sure we answer your questions and or resolve any concerns.

    Our main customer service phone number is: 1-888-807-9964
    Our main customer service email is:

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    Anonymous says:

    April 7th, 2016 at 7:50 am

    Is there anyone who had signed up and was pressurized into signing up and you did fall trap for it and recovered their money As some say it is a genuine company and they claim if you are not satisfied with the program with in 2 weeks of signing up you can opt out and get your money back

    Please send in any note on this


    ben says:
    May 25th, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    never heard of anybody having a problem getting there money back i got mine back 6 months later and as falling for the trap is ridiculous


    A says:
    April 12th, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    call the company and ask them for proof it might be faster go straight to the source. anyone can say anything here. even yeah the gave it back to me. Call ask and place the response here


    A says:
    April 9th, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    I highly doubt that Than Merril actually responded, it’s most likely a bot generated response.


    Than says:
    April 8th, 2016 at 12:10 am

    This is Than and I am one of the founders of FortuneBuilders.

    We have been in business for over ten years coaching and training thousands of real estate investors from around the country. We have a return policy for our workshops and we have always honored that policy with all of our customers.

    If anyone ever has any questions or concerns please call us or email us. We will always make sure we answer your questions and or resolve any concerns.

    Our main customer service phone number is: 1-888-807-9964
    Our main customer service email is:

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    vasanthi says:

    April 4th, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    I really liked the 3 day seminar.. and am deciding to go for mastery. I do feel it is expensive to set aside so much for mastery education at my age since i am single. But I am open minded and have no experience in it. I liked the 3 day seminar a lot and think it was all worth it for 2 people which was $197.. and if you are at a point to start your career it is all worth to go for mastery program where they give you guidance…Hopefull that i will gain more with it..


    CS03 says:
    May 23rd, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    Would be curious to see your experience with mastery. I attended the 3 day seminar and thought it was beneficial. I am contemplating the mastery currently.


    MIchael says:
    April 8th, 2016 at 9:08 am

    I think you might be mistaking them for another company. FortuneBuilders Inc. has an A rating with the BBB in San Diego.

    I did notice there are a couple non-related businesses with the name FortuneBuilders in the name.


    Anonymous says:
    April 7th, 2016 at 12:55 am

    This is a foolish way .Look @ all the reviews that is A Redflag BBB rated them an F

  • Gail Hatten says:

    March 24th, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    I just signed on with Fortune Builders. I want to see how they mentor me in their program.


    Leslie Wilson says:
    April 8th, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    I signed up on March 6th 2016 and I am very pleased with the training so far. I have taken training with several other firms and Fortune Builders is the best I have experienced. Real Estate is not for everyone but if you have a passion for it, Fortune Builders will be a good resource for you.


    Anonymous says:
    April 7th, 2016 at 7:35 am

    According to the Federal Trade Commission, Global Resource Network Seminar was implicated in the report entitled: Operation “Show Time” Targets Seminars Selling Fraudulent Business Opportunities and Investments FTC, State Law.

    This is what is telling they are not credible


    Anonymous says:
    April 7th, 2016 at 7:33 am

    Please let me know if any one paid this company and could get their money back as they claim that IF you are not satisfied with in 2 weeks they will return the money

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    Al says:

    March 5th, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    It starts as a fairy tale and down the road you will find
    the hints of the SCAM.
    I’ve been in the marketing business for some time and one
    of the principles and rules is NEVER put pressure on your
    clients at the time of the sale, especially the first time
    you talk to them.
    Over one hundred individuals attended this presentation in
    New Haven, Connecticut and maybe half of them signed up.
    $9750 dollar they made in 2 hours.
    Regardless where you go for the seminar, always do some research
    about the company.

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    Steve says:

    March 1st, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    Wow ! Hey guys listen up, just got back from Springfield,Ma presentation read the reviews, they are spot on.I am 59 years old Masters educated went to this presentation out of boredom These guys are bad news, if you made the mistake of jumping up to give them $200 call your CC company, and cancel

    They really only want people a HANDFULL that will give them 30k

    re think your situation, this will only make it worse

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    Candy says:

    February 29th, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Just attended St Louis seminar with Lee Escobar. .while some information was useful, it left me having more questions than answers. And what information I did get could of been been achieved in one day if you would have subtracted the fluff and high pressure sales tactics tying to convince me to buy their Mastery Program.
    I have done credit card collection for 5+ years and I found it reckless and misleading to tell a room full of people whos back round and education level you dont know, to call their credit card companies and increase their limits as high as they can go and then tell them to take ALL their money off ALL their credit cards put that money in their checking account and then make deals, pay their bills and then use one credit card to pay another credit card. While I don’t think his intentions where malicious and the way he explained it was correct IF and only if, you were to pay those cards back IMMEDIATELY, but to the uneducated person (ie.uneducated on credit cards) that was extremely dangerous and reckless, he never explained how this could ruin you credit if not done properly or prevent you from getting a loan in the future because of debit to income ratio among other things.. he sold a half true statement. all the while he was taking 10 credit cards out of his wallet and throwing them around the stage!! RECKLESS!! HE made it sound very ” matter of factly” and everyone could use this technique on a day to day basis for normal expenses, he basically just taught an entire room of people how to do a check kiting with credit cards. The sales men they have on stage are handing out half facts and reckless information and selling a flawless dream of rainbows and butterflies. They are quick to show their success stories and gloat about how much money these people are making but never say anything about the people who failed after giving this company all their money. I want to know why those people couldn’t make it work, I want to hear those stories, I want to be well rounded and educated about what I’m about to get myself in to, because if you are prepared and you know what’s coming and you know the potential hangups, you will know how to deal with it, and being blindsided is the worst feeling! If something sounds too good to be true then chances are it is! They made me feel; on day one, I needed to make a decision NOW NOW NOW. I dont like high pressure sales from people giving out cherry picked information making it sound like a perfect solution to the drudgery of a 40 hour work week, I like to know both sides of the coin.. I told my friend, who was also there, that it sounded like a combination of a church revival, a used car salesman and a time share lecture. And the price for false security was…DRUM ROLL PLEASE… $50,000… word of your own research don’t take anything or anyone at face value.. don’t let someone sell you a dream when they are only giving you the upside and not educating you on the risk.. while I’m not telling anyone what to do.. I only say: see the whole picture before making any decisions. Be educated on all sides and don’t let one guy, that you don’t know, who you’ve never talked to, and only hear speak for 3 days determine you financial future. FINALLY: word of advice watch the movie “wolves of Wall Street” and see how smooth, convincing, quick talkers swindled people out of millions of dollars and destroying their lives with the sole intentions of making themselves rich . I’m Not saying his is the stock market but the principal of the movie remains the same!

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    AAA says:

    January 30th, 2016 at 10:02 am

    Sitting Right now at the 3 day Session, Pure story telling, lots of scenarios, many staged examples that wont happen in real life. they feed you in a brain-wash manner, and then they send you the next steps to bring you deeper to the pool.

    what am doing, am writing down the story line they are using and the step by step on how to get people engaged and fooled. 90% of people sitting in this room think this is a business not realizing they are just buying a course 30K.

    This totally unfair and unethical as they mislead PEOPLE. again Law doesn’t protect fools.

    Save your money read and read books that will cost you far far less than wasting time and energy on some clowns dancing around with fake smile.


    Wasted time says:
    February 1st, 2016 at 1:26 pm

    Yep, I learned more about the teachers life and beliefs than I did about flipping. Their goal is to get you to spend 20 to 50k on their additional training. Brain washing for sure.

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    Jonathan says:

    November 9th, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    I personally know more than 5 people who have attended these “wealth building” seminars, spending around $25,000 each. I was fortunate and got in for free, as a friend of mine shared his guest ticket with me in exchange for some help with technology.

    What I find interesting is that none, I repeat, NONE of my friends have made a single dollar and it’s been over 6 months since the seminars have passed.

    But what is more interesting is that there are 2 groups of people:

    A) My friends who did nothing after the seminar, and attempted no deals, and never took action due to fear.

    B) My friends who took action, but lost significant amounts of money on their first couple deals. Most lost between $15,000 and $50,000 on their first deal alone.

    I highly discourage anyone from attending and paying for these seminars, if the price is more than $500-$1000. The information they give is indeed worth up to $1,000 maximum. But it definitely is NOT worth $10,000 or $25,000 or anything more than $1,000. And I’m talking about their advanced 4 day seminars where they supposedly “spill their beans” and tell you how to get rich quick.

    The fact is, they never tell you exactly how to do it, because they don’t know. They are experts at selling INFORMATION, not real estate. Real estate experts don’t host educational seminars. They quietly do real estate deals. You might find them at a local REI or seminar investment club. Or you might find them at one of the low cost, $100 or $1,000 seminars, just to network and hear whats new.

    But you will not find highly successful real estate investors at these expensive seminars. You will only find noobie students as yourself, hoping to get lucky, only to wind up in serious debt at a high interest rate.

    Summary: Buy a book about real estate investing, and read it. It has the same information these expensive seminars do. Don’t give away $25,000 for information. Use that money for your first deal. Be careful using hard money lenders, because they are not forgiving, nor is the bank. Use your common sense. Go network with local investors and become their friends.

    I learned so much more just from being genuine friends with an ACTUAL real estate investor who I met at a local REI event. And he taught me for free! He even took me through his rehab projects from start to finish while it was being done, and showed me everything he was doing. Just because we were friends!

    So with that said, good luck all, and keep your emotions in check. Imagine that you are successful as a real estate investor, and it will come true, even without spending any money educational courses, because you’ll naturally become magnetic to success and draw the people into your life that you need to meet.


    It's all Love says:
    October 9th, 2016 at 7:55 am

    I am currently attending the 3 day seminar (just completed the 2nd day), and Wow! I wish I had researched Fortune Builders before hand. Throughout the past two days, the lead motivational speaker/coach, who is an awesome speaker by the way, constantly showed pictures of his wife and kids on the slide show and even brought his children on stage to meet everyone. Moreover, he offered heartfelt personal experiences of charity giving, missionary work, and sob stories of tragic situations that happened in his life, and even cried on stage (and brought most of the room to tears as well). And, then pretty much turned the seminar into a Church Service just to prove how much he believed in God. Well, if he says he is a Christian then he can surely be automatically trusted right? I thought all of this was surely an authentic experience until I researched identical seminars that were performed throughout the years going back to 2005 and discovered that it was all a rehearsed act. Do the research for yourself and you will see that the whole then is scripted and rehearsed in order to establish a trust connection with a potential customer. And then, the constant push to prove that going into deep debt (especially with credit cards) was a worthy risk to invest in the real estate game (when it was truly to sell you on covering the cost of the Mastery course with credit cards. Hopefully no one actually believed that credit card money should finance real estate…not to mention that they don’t even speak about the variable interest rates that most credit card offers look to screw you over with). This stuff will leave you in living Hell! Be careful. In addition, the information that everyone says is so valuable is sprinkled throughout the course; however, more time is dedicated to selling you on investing their Mastery courses, $29K, $35K, and $50K. Yes, I agree that the so called valuable information that they are sprinkling around the big sell of their Mastery Course, can be found by reading books, but I will do you one better. I have Googled most of the information and topics and just about all of the $197 3-day course precious information can be found for free online. To offer a positive on my experience, I do feel uplifted after the speaking coach gave us all a good cry and that motivational kick in the rear end…which I kind of needed, but I would have bought that for a dollar if I could.


    Rickie says:
    May 2nd, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    Whats your contact info Johnathan i’d love to link and learn from you Ireside in the Charlotte area


    Percival Williams says:
    January 25th, 2016 at 9:51 am

    Well put, I’ve thought the same when i went to one. That these guys were experts at selling information. And that these guys where going to put you in huge debt even before your first deal. But also i Believe their is light at the end off the tunnel If you stick around long enough. But at what cost?, your wife and family? You are so right, when you said get books and read them. Well put my man.

  • Irene says:

    November 4th, 2015 at 1:13 am


    This to me is a much better course…cause if i can come up with 33,000 for fortune builders I can use this money for my deals…there are many that will help you just like when you deal with fortunebuilders. can you imagine how much wealth they have accumulated based on the lack of confidence possessed. Plus fortune builder stays only a year holding your hand and after you give them their initial 33,000 during the year you are in training they will be extracting thousands more from you… It is all so not worth their sales manipulative brain washing tactics

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    Brenwalt4 says:

    September 26th, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    I would agree that Than Merrill’s ‘seminar’ qualifies as a SCAM. ‘False advertising’ also comes to mind. Their marketing states that they will teach valuable techniques for investing in real estate ‘using other people’s money’. They advertise teaching techniques for locating properties ripe for picking. In reality, they ‘mention’ techniques and spend 90% of the seminar yapping about ‘being an investor’, stressing re-investing in the business, and promoting their NEXT (‘Mastery’) seminar for $34K. They stress to participants that they have to ‘apply’ to the ‘Mastery’ level and ‘only a select few’ will be accepted. In reality, anyone who has $34K to drop at their feet – gets in.
    It is stressed over and over: honesty, integrity, being transparent, ‘people first, profits second’. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is nothing honest about their intent. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth.
    Finally, they stress ‘time management’ and ‘optimizing’ your time. THIS was the best part of the seminar. Since I lost 2 days of my life that I will never get back, I decided not to go back the 3rd day and waste yet another valuable day of my life.


    Former FB employee says:
    May 7th, 2017 at 9:55 pm

    Mike, please post your contact information here so I can reach out to you. I have some info you’d be very interested in.


    Mike says:
    November 1st, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    So glad I found this site. What all you people are failing to understand is that some of the same people who work for Fortune Builders have worked or have been Owner/Members of the following. Challenge Systems(Robert Allen). Capital Investment Systems est 1993 /Global Resource Network, Financial Power group LLC est 1996, Top Investors Club est2005, Millionaire Mentor Group est2009,. Go ahead and look those companies up. Google them all and go to rip off report/reviewpedia/pissed consumer etc… and see all the complaints. Read how all the complaints are the same. How all the sales tactics are the same. Then keep reading and you’ll see why. Also go to the bbb links and see that Scott Bell owned all but Challenge Systems. Also go to the link below and see what they have to say at the BBB. . When you go to this site see how NM links all the companies above all together. The people that worked for those companies are working at Fortune builders.
    Also go to this link See who the members are at Top Investors club. Christine Kasper, Elisa Stabile, Mike Kasper, Scott Bell.

    This is what NM posted. Go to the link See below
    If your discussing Real Estate Pickers from California then yes they probably are a SCAM just as there previous company Millionaire Mentor Group (MMG) proved to be a SCAM. MMG used bait and switch tactics and a host of other tricks to SCAM individuals of their money.
    Scott D Bell was the CEO and President of MMG now he is the owner of Real Estate Pickers and Stategic Coaching Alliance which may also be SCAMMING Cdn’s as the above reports seem to indicate.
    Scott D Bell has a past record of these sort of SCAMMING business practices such as with Capital Investment Systems, followed by Global Resource Network Inc DBA as Nevada Global Resource Network Inc in the state of California. Scott Bell’s name is also connected to Financial Power Group along with Chief Denny and his attorney Rob Kovalsky of Kovalsky and Associates in California, and to Top Investors Club LLC along with Mike Kasper. He is connected to numerous others as well. Many of the above are notoriuos (in the wild west) for their SCAMS.
    Scott D Bell recently declared bankrupcy but this isn’t stopping him. He may now be trying to hook up with Troy Stevens of Digital Success Institue from Utah. Digital is doing a seminar in Ottawa Canada soon along with the Steve Martel group. Hopefully this information will help others to sit up and take notice of what’s happening in this industry.
    So, let’s go back in time to go forward and get to the present. Scott Bell was CEO and President of Capital Investment Systems and Global Resource Network back from 1993-2002. Elisa Stabile was the Vice President of sales and marketing for Capital Investment Systems and Global Resource Network from 1993-2002. I’ll repeat that VP of Sales and Marketing. She is second in charge of their marketing and sales tactics. She is now with FortuneBuilders. Mike Kasper worked for them as a road crew speaker for the same duration of time. He is now with Fortunebuilders. Under this company, for 9 years, they promoted several different programs from notes to foreclosures to flipping etc.. None of these people above that worked for these companies were Real estate investors during these 9 years but they claimed to be. The only investing they did was taking Millions of dollars of those people’s money for 9 years and spending it. Look up those two companies see the complaints. Go to the rip off report and read the reports. See what the Federal Trade Commission had to say and see how they were implicated in “Operation Show Time” which target seminars selling fraudulent Business opportunities. Also, they were told by the Attorney Generals office to “cease and desist” for misleading business practices. State Attorney General Office 1-517-373-7117. Case# 98-182. See below
    It appears that Global Resource Network assumed its business under a new name, parallel to numerous complaints and a previous derogatory rating with the BBB.(Click Here). There has been a warning issued by the BBB, and a cease and desist order imposed on them by the Attorney Generals office for misleading business practices. State Attorney General Office 1-517-373-7117, Case Number 98-182.

    According to the Federal Trade Commission, Global Resource Network Seminar was implicated in the report entitled: Operation “Show Time” Targets Seminars Selling Fraudulent Business Opportunities and Investments FTC, State Law.

    It is highly probably that seminar instructors at the Global Resource Network Seminar implied that this was a great and easy home business, with deliberate intent to deceive. They made a lot of money as they held high pressure sles, for more and more expensive products to a trapped captive audience. These materials are sold for cheap or even for FREE: example “How To Get Started Profiting From Notes

    Even if you have not opened the box and tried the system, or faulted yourself..think again. This lucrative business opportunity as depicted by seminar instructors does not exist. A New York Post reporter went in under cover to investigate this home business opportunity. Results: One year and 5 months after the course, the cummulative profit from an entire group of students (some who worked very hard in the business), was less than $1200. The student who made some money, is still about $4,945 (thousands) in the hole + all expenses incurred by the cost of labor and time. Source (Washington Post)

    Voice Heard Around the Globe

    For those who have had a negative experience with Global Resource Network, American Investment Group, Capital Investment Systems, Don Burnham / Discount Buyers Association or Russ Whitney’s MPAP / Leasecomm contract, we need your testimony to support a law suit and government investigation. As most do not have the time, to file with the FTC, FBI, CA AG/ and legal firms, please forward a note about your experience below, and we will do the legwork for you.

    Include the dollar amount you lost and hardship incurred as a result of the financial loss. Please pass the information along to anyone you met at the seminar, and have them do the same.
    So, now Capital Investments/Global Resource Network are forced after 9 years to shut down because of all the lawsuits. 1993-2002. After they close those individuals above assume business as usual under Financial Power group LLC. If you look them up Scott Bell is listed as owner according to the BBB filing but not with the same guru’s as with the previous company. It last 3 years and they close. Then those 4 individuals, as I showed you above, start Top Investors Club in 2005. Not much else for that club out there on the internet. I guess these great investors didn’t do too much investing. I guess their own programs that they sold for 9 years couldn’t help them. 4 years go by. Then Millionaire Mentor Group in 2009 pops up,(dba Scott Bell Profits in Paper), which surprisingly has the same address as Capital and Global Resource Network. 2010 Jimmy Durante Del Mar CA 92014. Just a different suite #. Scott Bell as CEO and President and guess who else was with him?
    There, we just made the connection between Top investors Club, where you can see they were all principals, all the way back through time and all the companies they created and worked for. Scott Bell goes off and as you read before continues on with other companies like Real Estate Pickers. Elisa Stabile and Mike Kasper end up with none other than Fortune Builders. As of February 2012 –present, according to her Linkedln report dated 2012 was the “Preview Manager”. That means she’s in charge of all the previews where they ask you for $200. She’s the manager of all the previews. Mike Kasper, according to social media lists his education as FORTUNE BUILDERS MASTERY COLLEGE CLASS 2012.
    So, what do you do when you are in charge as Road Crew manager at Fortune Builders? You get all the people that worked for, Robert Allen and Capital Investments and Global Resource Network and Financial Power Group and Millionaire Mentor Group, which if you recall were all in SAN DIEGO and BTW where Fortune Builders is and you put them to work.
    Mike Kasper is in Ottawa today speaking for Fortune Builders AUG 15 2015. Woody Wolden is a speaker for Fortune Builders and worked for Capital Investments, Global Resource Network and Financial Power Group under Elisa Stabile. He worked out on the road crews and at the trainings for them. If you google his name now there is a page by Fortune Builders Entitled “CRUSHER”. Erin Marron, is on Fortune Builders road crew as well. She worked under Elisa Stabile at Capital Investments/Global Resource Network. There is also Mike Clodfelter who worked for Capital and Global and Financial as a road crew member and now with Fortune Builders.
    These are the people that are out on Fortune Builders road crews trying to sign you up for their training. They are the same people that had been traveling around the country from state to state and town to town for 20 years telling you how they have made all kinds of money in real estate. Each company they had a different guru they promoted. They jump from company to company and guru to guru. They do this because they build up a worse and worse reputation from “training” all these people in how to make money in Real Estate and the Attorney Generals in every state start investigating them because of all the complaints and they shut down. They claim they are in the business and making money in the business but they’re not. They are all paid commissions on each sale. You can’t be traveling around the country 25 days out of every month enrolling people in the 3day training and be investors. Also, ask to see the transactions these individuals have done. Checks from deals they have done and they won’t have them. Oh and of course they will have a line when you ask like “it’s not about me it’s about you”. Or, “I don’t disclose my financials”. Always the same as all the other Real Estate seminars before with some of the same cast of characters. Why would they employ these people that fleeced so many thousands of people out of millions of dollars? If you are so LEGIT then why employ these people? If these people have been investing for 20 years with all these companies before why aren’t they rich by now? Oh yes I almost forgot. It’s because they are in the seminar business and make their entire living off commissions gained by selling real estate trainings while claiming to be investors as well.
    I am going to be sending a file of all the information I have to the SEC and to the U.S. attorney General as well as State Attorney Generals.
    For all of you that have given money to these people come together and file complaints. Contact your State Attorney General and demand they investigate. Contact the Federal Trade Commission. Contact and complain. This is the only way you have a chance in getting your money back. For all of those who are thinking about it. If you read this and sign up you deserve what happens to you.


    cdj53534 says:
    October 18th, 2015 at 12:27 am

    I agree 100 percent I just did 2 and after listening to max out my credit cards to pay the 3rd day will escape me. I would like to go there get involved in a share and quick say show of hands how many people were offered a spot to see if it was more than 12 out of 130. If 30 I can understand but if 60 or more would prove what I already know.

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    Brett Tracy says:

    September 16th, 2015 at 1:35 am

    Problem with operations like this the main problem is yeah the person selling the property and the bank they make out like fat rats for the most part when dealing with house flipping, the family or person buying a home get screwed especially when you’re putting people out there in real estate that have ZERO experience repairing homes, doing a half assed job that unsuspecting Family or person, usually first buyer(s) which create huge nightmare and problem for that family this I have a major problem with I have booked to get a seat in Wilmington DE on the nineteenth of Sept and I will be giving this organization a piece of my mind. Whether they mean to or not their breeding real estate crooks and we already have far too many of them!

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    Frank says:

    August 17th, 2015 at 2:24 pm

    I just attended a 3-day event. What a waste of a good 3 days. They could have taught what we learned in one afternoon. I learned more about Mr. Black’s family, his wrestling, and modeling career, than I did about flipping houses. I do feel that I probably gained 200 dollars worth of information but I wasted 3 days that could have been a lot more productive in other ways. So over all it was a waste of time and money. Oh and by the way, if you disagree or question Mr. Black he will say you are calling him a lair and ask you to leave. All they are looking for are people with excellent credit that can spend 35000, yes thirty-five thousand dollars, for one phone call a week of coaching.

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    Richard says:

    August 16th, 2015 at 3:16 am

    I am currently attending their 3 day seminar and I have to say…It is very informative and entertaining. There is ALOT of information however if you are new like me IT WILL help you start your buisness. I am very open minded and skeptical about seminars but I can see that this system if implemented is very successful. No matter what buisness you are trying to start, if you do not have expierience you NEED a coach. I am not going to do their mastery program because its just too expensive and id rather use that money to start up my buisness, which I am currently doing. If i did have that money though I would definitley sign up because your basically investing in this system thats proven with coaching to start up your own buisness. If you do 1 flip it will pay for itself. They arent pushy sales people. If you want to start flipping and eventually create wealth and invest in Real Estate but have no idea where to start i would recommend these guys. If you already know someone that is doing this and they are willing to mentor and coach you for free, go tone of these seminars, take what you learn and implement or tweek and create your own.


    Pablo Perez says:
    January 31st, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    Yes I would like4 help in any way my E Mail is


    Tess says:
    November 16th, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    I just attended the 3 days seminar last weekend. In my opinion,the topics covered in these 3 days event worth more than $197 (which I paid for the 3 days). Lots of good (useful) information regardless of u are proceeding with the RE business or not.

    Regarding the consecutive training for $35,000, $25,000 and $20,000, it is up to the individual to decide. And they said it repeatedly that, success is not guaranteed. But for me still I believe it is quite expensive. And it makes me wondering that are they really RE investors or a company making a big money from these huge training revenues. What I would like to see is their accounting report so that I can observe which part of revenue streamline is bigger in the income statement.


    This guy says:
    November 5th, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    There are a lot of CRMs (management software) out there, but the one that fortune builders claims to have spent “3-4 million” creating is offer not by fortune builders but buy and although it does not seem to be the greatest out there they do offer a free trial. check it out if you’re interested. And bonus, you dont have to shell out 35k upfront.

    As for the learning try things like and youtube.


    Linda says:
    October 9th, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    I Just attended one of thes in Las Vegas and i agree with Richard. 34K is a lot of money but I did get a lot of information in those three days I do believe I am going for the lowest program.

    PS I am not a “Plant”


    brenwalt4 says:
    September 26th, 2015 at 9:29 pm

    Based on your high rating, I’d say you are likely a ‘plant’ by the Merrill camp.

  • Nicky C says:

    August 11th, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    I went to the free seminar and the 3 day seminar. Every piece of information was valuable and gave me a head start on how I wanted to enter into the field of Real Estate. As you all continue to think with the left side of your mind, you will continue to tell others that this doesn’t work. As adults we are all entitled to our opinions but, we shouldn’t tell others that they should ignore an opportunity that may work for them. I graduated from college. It is ok to pay 40-60K in student loans for degrees that may or may not be beneficial to you. I have a friend with a Masters and is unable to get employment for one reason or another. I have been fortunate enough to be in the Healthcare field making a decent amount of money. I don’t want to make other money, I want to make me money. You have the choice you pay it or you don’t. Keep it moving and let other’s make up their own mind.

    See people in the Mastery program do not have the time to feed into these kinds of sites and blogs because they are out there making deals. Think about that.

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    RLF says:

    August 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    This 3 day class is Total BS. You can learn more from playing around with a cheap smart phone over a one weekend time period on your own than by listening to a paid professional speaker try to continuously upsell you to a 25,000 mastery program. The only reason they have all of these educational programs is so Than the Man and his gang of Thieves can steal your money from you and stick in their greedy little pockets that are overflowing with honest,hardworking peoples money that just would like a small piece of the 1 percent of the people that own 99 percent of all the wealth on this planet we call earth. Don’t waste your $197.00 on these money grabbing scammers.

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    John Smith says:

    June 19th, 2015 at 6:21 pm


    I went to the free seminar and was convinced to sign up for the 3 day bootcamp which was knocked down to $197 from aprox $1,200 if I did it “RIGHT NOW”

    I felt it would be well worth it as I got the impression that I would come away with a lot more knowledge than I had and some good “systems” and impressive looking software in place to go forward.
    (NOTE, At no time did anyone state that none of those things were available at the Bootcamp.)

    SO Not what I got at all. During the Bootcamp these “systems” and the tools were only hinted at and I soon discovered that they could only be accessed by the Mastery Class students. Those students need to cough up I believe close to 30K. That’s right Thirty Thousand Dollars.
    As to the boot camp it was a waste of time. Constant boring repetition and different restating of the same things. How many different ways can one state that yes the MLS board can be useful but not the best source?
    No Sh*T Sherlock!
    Almost everything in this bootcamp was Fluff and or common sense. I got one or two tidbits that I kind of knew anyway but not enough to justify the cost unless you count all the believe in yourself, take control of your life feel good jargon. Just give me the hard facts.

    All in all, nothing more than hook em with hints and reel em in with promise? of more.


    K.R. says:
    November 9th, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    I just attended a 3 day Boot Camp and I am not a “FB Plant.” I joined Amway in 1995 and most people thought that was a scam too. Yes, I did not make any money, and yes, I did invest a lot of money. Some may call this STUPID, but 20 years later I know it is what changed my life! I now own a very large traditional business and I am an accredited investor. Twenty years ago, I spent $75,000 in Amway to make $2,000 per month and it was the best choice I ever made and people think $34K is a lot of money. It wasn’t the soap that was the value, it was the coaching, books, tapes and seminars… Finally the people I got to hang around with. People don’t know what they don’t know and that limits everything they do.

    For me, I came from a simple family, was raised in a single wide mobile home in the country and did not complete college… Don’t under estimate the power of learning, anyone from anywhere can change their life and finances if they are willing to get out of there own way.

    As far as a Real Estate Seminar goes, it was the best I have ever been to hands down. Also, the cost of the Mastery Program is nothing, I spend more on CPA’s and Auditors every six months. The reason why most people fail in business is simply because they think their opinion is right… Regarding the System and Software, it is the best I have ever seen and I used to build Software Systems. Finally the reason most people have a job is they have no clue the cost of starting a business and expect to get something for nothing. Do people really think they can make $200,000 or more flipping homes and investing in long term rentals at a 3 day seminar?

    The Private Lending section that is taught is HUGE… But you wouldn’t know this if you have never raised money. Also, if you have never had the opportunity to be around high net worth individuals then you have no clue how valuable that is. Finally, the teaching on setting up corporations and the structuring for tax purposes was sensational… But you wouldn’t know that if you have only every had a job and frankly you wouldn’t care.

    Best Regards


    Roger Allan says:
    July 7th, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    Please, Please, Please Do not waste your time with this company. All they want you to do is sign up for their Mentor program. That’s how they make all their money and pay for all the TV commercials. I am a realtor and had one of their graduates for a client. He had paid them about $25,000 for their Master program and the end result was he didn’t know any more after paying the $25,000 then he did before going to their 3 hour introduction. I felt so bad for him, he had taken a 2nd mortgage out on his home to pay for what turned out to be a totally worthless program. $25,000 down the drain. There is nothing they teach that you can not find out for yourself on the internet. SCAM !!!


    Gabriel says:
    July 2nd, 2015 at 9:11 am

    This past weekend I myself attended the 3 day seminar. I didn’t know what to expect but I was opened minded. I know you seen the same seminar I did because its a system. They did give you the opportunity for a full refund correct? I have a college education and after taking a class I was never given the opportunity during or after the class for a refund. These people don’t need your 197.00 or your money for the mastery program. When we want something that we can’t have it is the human thing to do make excuses of why something didn’t work for you because of what you were offered. If this was all common sense this information would not have the value that it does. You know what they could have handed you exactly what they do and you still probably could not produce the results, why? Its like we always learn perfect practice makes perfect. This is not a get quick rich system you have to work, you have to put in the effort. First you have to change your mind set. To have a successful business it does not only take investment of money but time and that is what this weekend was. I learned so much because if I was going to take the time from my family and all the other things I could have done I was going to take away something from it. Everyone says you can do all this by just searching on google, and reading you are all correct. How long will that take you? You have to ask yourself at what level you want to do this at. If you want to buy one property a year, this program is not for you. If you want to start a business in real estate investing that is who this is for. Like a fisherman if I want to cast one line into the lake and be as efficient as I can I can find that info on the internet. If I want invest in boat, and nets, in a crew and go to AK and be a fisherman I have to educated myself, find those that are successful learn there system and implement. You don’t reinvent the system or wheel as they say. We can all say that it is unfair that a Mcdonald franchise is so expensive. Its not though, they have a turn key system that they know will be successful. If you have ever seen a Mcdonalds close its not because the hamburgers and fries weren’t good because they are same as down the block. It failed because it was not implemented correctly and I bet if you look up people that have invested into Mcdonalds and failed they to will be on a blog just like this blaming everyone under the sun on why the system failed. Once you know the system you can implement that system anyone in the USA to make money. If that is what you want in your Real Estate business this mastery is for you. If not $197 if you are open minded would be your 35k investment that you need to learn what you need to take your one fishing pole, hook and worm to catch a couple of fish. If you want to build a fortune 500 company don’t expect that information for free or $197.00. You can’t expect Harvard Education at a Community College cost. Hope this helps. Just cause this didn’t work for you, leave it at that.

    I am not part of fortune builders I seen the same seminar you did. I seen the opportunity if that is the kind of business that I want. I am working out all the details to get into Mastery right now, understand that though I am not going to sit back and wait for them to contact me to work or get going. Everyday I am going to ask where should I start and everyday I will call and ask step by step what to do not wait for anyone to give me what they want. I am going to make what I want of this. I am going to put in the effort to learn everything I can so I can implement. Understand this is education there are other business cost to run business, you need to pay for LLC’s, websites, marketing. Don’t expect your investment in your education to be the end all be all. Understand you have a choice you don’t have to do anything which many choose but you can’t throw stones at those that have. If you choose to not do anything about your situation, please spare the rest of us of all your complaints about something you have no concrete information about, because it just comes across as excuses.

    Hope this helps!

    Good Luck

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    L.M. says:

    June 7th, 2015 at 3:27 am

    I attended the 3 day seminar as a real estate agent looking to get into the investing myself, I had the knowledge just needed the extra funding, but that is not what you get there. They tell you about how to look for the funding but you can do that with google. They don’t give any direct advice as to a list of private lender or keep their promises about connecting you with the right people which was their pitch for the 3 days class. And I looked around and saw a lot of people who wanted a better life but probably didn’t have much more than the $200 they scraped up to attend this seminar, which was sad. I think it’s a false hope promise they were selling. And yeah if you had the $30k to invest in their class you could already be flipping homes. They are basically just selling a lot of hand-holding.

    As a realtor I can tell you what works and what doesn’t for a LOT less money than that!


    Gabriel says:
    July 2nd, 2015 at 9:28 am

    Chicago, Cole Hatter


    Gabriel says:
    July 2nd, 2015 at 9:28 am

    Here is some direct advice.. They are not giving you a list in this video but they are giving you some information to start building your own list to find private lenders. Private money to me I believe is all in the approach. If you come with the right package presentation that shows exit strategy for that lender. They could of handed you the list that you wanted, but I promise you that you probably would not have the results they have. The return is not in the list it is about implementing the list. If I want to have a real estate investment company and do it successful I want that hand holding. You are a realtor when a client comes to you to help them buy or sell house don’t you hand hold, isn’t that what you get paid for? Help them make an educated decision taking their needs and wants and isn’t it your job to protect them and guide them using your education? If they wanted to they could do it themselves right? This is what I found about private lenders and helped allot!! Its not a list.


    Mike says:
    June 15th, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    Who was the speaker at the free seminar that initially made you go and signed you up? Where was it held?

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    Sean says:

    May 20th, 2015 at 2:45 pm

    According to their system, they suggest finding money THEN, going to find property. I propose this friends. If you have 30000 to pay someone to teach you, then you’ve been smart enough to aquire 30k. Which means you’re probably smart enough to conduct yourself intelligently in transactions of that size. Which means you HAVE the first step of their advice and you don’t need them.

    That’ll be 4500 dollars please. You may send the check to me. :)

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    glenn says:

    April 18th, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    This sounds just like Carleton Sheets, 20 years ago, except Sheets only charged about $1500.00 for his advanced class, instead of $20-30 thousand Than charges, but, then Sheets had you research and find, 10 properties you felt were good “flip” candidates , and hand hold you through flipping one. When I pushed, as to what they do with the other 9, they admitted they flip some of them themselves. Either way, Sheets or Than is making a ton of money off teaching, it has to be more lucrative than flipping, or they wouldn’t be doing it.

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    luis says:

    April 13th, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    I went to the 2 hour class and sign up to the 3 days seminar. I just want to learn all I can maybe meet like minded people. I will definitely not be buying the mastery program but if I learn something valuable it will be a gain. If I don’t learn anything I will lose 200.
    I think its definitely worth taking the chance.

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    Ron Warner says:

    April 1st, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    The old saying is very true of you get what you pay for. My wife and I attended the “Free Information Seminar” and from that presentation decided to pay $197 and attend their 3 day session in the Chicago market. We arrived all excited to learn more about the possibility of investing in properties which only last a very few minutes. Their registration started at 8 am and it took us over 90 minutes to arrive on time. We checked in to only find out they were not letting people into the meeting area until 8:45 am. There were not enough seats for the number of individuals that were waiting to get in. So we waited and then went in. This is where things proceed to go from “Bad to Worse”! Our instructor was a very good speaker but after a few minutes we noticed that everything was focusing back onto what he was calling their Mastery Program. He would cover what that entailed the next afternoon and we proceed to go through what I can best call a very long and drawn out process of talking about the benefits of education and throwing out some numbers of amounts of money that other individuals that were in a higher career path on their system were making doing deals. The day ends around 6 pm and after listening and taking notes my wife and I had a very serious debate about going back for another very long day of sitting on very uncomfortable chairs. The only scheduled break was 1 hour for lunch which was not until 2 pm in the afternoon. They had these classes in a facility that could not handle the number of attendees for lunch so everyone was running around trying to find lunch. The big sales presentation finally happened around 2:30 pm on the second day and this is where the rubber meets the road. Their training courses range from approximately $20,000 up to $35,000. While I did pick up a few items that I can use I was not willing to spend this kind of money on a system that did not provide me with any type of exclusive territory. The speaker kept comparing this education investment to that of purchasing a franchise of another business but with that type of capital investment there is some protection. While they claimed to have access to approximately $100 million of funds for lending the only people they would lend to are those that invest in their $35,000 training session. They are willing to setup financing arrangements for those individuals that are interested in actually purchasing the training as part of their life change the speak spoke about on several different times.

    The true bottom line in my opinion is this program is looking to cash in on those individuals that have or can get access to the funds that are required to purchase their training programs. Anyone or any company that is truly looking to help individuals grow would work out some type of a funding program for those individuals that want to attempt this new career path but lack the capital. I have the funds to purchase any level of their training but feel this type of extremely “Hard Close” Sales by the closers they brought to town is not the type of company that I want to be involved with now or in the future. This reminded me of a “Very Long Time Share Presentation”! The speaker attempted to keep the energy high and show the “Potential Money” that could be made while the hammers/closers worked on getting the money out of potential students. The three guys from “Flip This House” should be ashamed of how their company is going about generating revenue. The speaker stated their Mastery Program was for only a few select individuals but I honestly believe they would take anyone that had the purchase price of their training programs.

    Selling the prospective students that moon and if for some reason they don’t achieve anything then why do we care because we got our training course money up front. That is not a “Moral Way” to treat people.


    Bert says:
    August 28th, 2015 at 8:45 pm

    Scottsdale…. I just experienced the same thing. Could you provide Than’s number please?


    Juan from Miami says:
    August 2nd, 2015 at 8:45 am

    Mr. Warner , I just attended the three day seminar and I couldn’t agree with you more. A few tidbits from what I gathered, I went in hoping to hear enough info to make it worth my time, I got some info that theoretically may have been worth the 200 as well as me and my wife’s time.From the beginning everything they tell you is strategically geared to convince you to go in on the Mastery Program.The speaker (Jeremy Black- The model from their TV show), is well spoken and very energetic, he starts off by saying that he attended a seminar where he spent $50,000 , he spoke often and passionately about how this was very nontraditional and how some of his friends criticized and laughed at him , but in the end it was the best decision he made because now he is a multi-millionaire.This is done to put in your head that an investment like this (Mastery- $20,000 to 30,000) is worth it. Also they try to convince you that the only way to run a business is through a systematic way i.e. McDonald’s, Chipotle, Etc. (Which is true) , but they harp on this to convince you that they have the best system in the Real Estate game (Mastery Program).They do a few things on the first day to mitigate any obstacles to their Mastery program sales.One is to tell you not to use your cell phones or laptop, this is to try and prevent you from Googling them and having any bad reviews spread through the room like a virus(They stated that the reason for this is that once someone with a laptop had inappropriate images on the screen). Also they try and get you to increase your credit limits and that this will increase your credit rating and to try this when you get home that night, so you may use your credit card to purchase their programs (One of the first things they do on the second day is to ask how many people tried to increase their credit). They also tell you that you have to “Apply” for the program, this is deceptive,we all know that they will accept anybody that has the credit to purchase this program. They basically give you one bit of valuable info every few hours to keep you interested, and the speaker was always dropping teasers , to keep you from leaving. In the end, I can’t speak to how good the Mastery Program is , I do think that if they offered it for several hundreds dollars instead of thousands, it would seem more ethical.


    Jared Wright says:
    June 21st, 2015 at 10:09 am

    Hi Ron, I’m planning on attending the 3 day seminar. I have to say, it doesn’t sound promising. I would definitely like his phone number, sounds like I’m going to want a refund also. I was under the impression that basically I would have to do all the leg work and fortune builders would help me get the financing I need to do the flip. Obviously getting a percentage but they kept saying I didn’t need credit or cash. They would provide investors, sounds like that’s not the case. I want to better my financial status but sounds like that’s not what they want to help me with. Shoot me an email,


    From Scottsdale says:
    April 26th, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    I contacted Than Merrill Directly and expressed my disappointment after attending the 3 day seminar. He called me on my cell phone surprisingly and refunded my money for the seminar. I encourage anyone who is disappointed in the seminar to contact him directly to get their money back. I have his cell phone if anyone wants it.


    Johnny Rabbit says:
    April 10th, 2015 at 2:21 pm


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    Bobby says:

    March 21st, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    I attended the 3 day workshop a week ago and I did not sign up for the mastery program mainly because of the price. With all the information I got from Ralph Plumb and one of the other mentors Joe I got to work right away and the minute I got home I called 3 of my friends as well as my brother and had a meeting and got them on board to start our company. I knew it might take a while for just myself to find investors so that’s why I recruited them now seeing we don’t have the money to start buying houses we started talking to anybody we think might want to invest and basically anybody we come in contact with and within a week we have 2 people who we will be working with, it was easier than I had thought it would be to approach people and basically ask for their money but with just the 3 day workshop I was able to get enough info to start my business and once I get a little more established I plan on taking the mastery program. Their programs systems do work, it definitely is NOT a scam it’s just not for everyone. If you’re not wiling to do the work and go out and find an investor than its not for you. Well worth the $197


    Tara says:
    April 27th, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    Do you have a management software in place to help manage all your contacts and contractors and properties? If so where did you get it?


    Carlos says:
    April 5th, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    How much was the Mastey Program?

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    Alan says:

    March 17th, 2015 at 8:06 am

    It’s worth going to their free seminar to see what info you can pickup on however their ultimate goal is to pressure you into paying for an extremely expensive education & software system. I personally bypassed their overpriced system and found an inexpensive investment software that includes everything they offered.


    Ginny says:
    June 27th, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    What is and where can I find this program/software? I am very interested in it. My husband & I just finished our second day of the seminar and was considering paying for the “Platinum” pkg. tomorrow (Sunday) We are 71 and retired & looking to supplement our retirement (SS) income. We would truly appreciate your help in getting this program/software.


    Sharon says:
    June 6th, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    Hello, what was the name of the software that you purchased?


    clara says:
    June 3rd, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    what was the name of the software you purchased?


    Leo says:
    May 28th, 2015 at 10:21 am



    SHAWN says:
    April 30th, 2015 at 9:57 am



    L J says:
    March 30th, 2015 at 9:23 am

    please name the real estate investment software?


    what was the name of the inexpensive software you purchased? says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 7:32 pm

    what was the name of the software that you purchased?


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    Gustave says:

    March 4th, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    My wife and I just attended a 3-day seminar in LA. Maybe it was due to the chap who was teaching (who was very very good), but we found it fascinating. I took copious notes (just like I did in school) and I think they are so useful I am turning them into a PowerPoint presentation for my sisters. I feel it it to be the best $200 I’ve ever spent. The Mastery program I am still waiting judgement on.

    Maybe it helps that my wife and I were already 100% committed to real estate investing before we ever heard of Fortune Builders (the name does turn me off I admit). I had my scam radar on at full power, but maybe I’m too optimistic. For sure these guys are not doing this simply out of the goodness of their hearts. They are in business to make money, and FB is just another business for them. But if we get something out of it too then it’s win-win which is the best scenario in any case.


    Roger Allan says:
    July 7th, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    Do not waste your time with this company. All they want you to do is sign up for their Mentor program. That’s how they make all their money and pay for all the TV commercials. I am a realtor and had one of their graduates for a client. He had paid them about $25,000 for their Master program and the end result was he didn’t know any more after paying the $25,000 then he did before going to their 3 hour introduction. I felt so bad for him, he had taken a 2nd mortgage out on his home to pay for what turned out to be a totally worthless program. $25,000 down the drain. There is nothing they teach that you can not find out for yourself on the internet. SCAM !!!

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    Sunshine says:

    March 2nd, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    I attended this seminar in San Antonio Texas this weekend 2-27 thru 3-01 although I didn’t sign up for the Mastery Program I felt Jeremy Black provided just enough information to help one get started. I did not go to this $197 seminar expecting to receive all info needed. My mindset going in was absorb as much of the info provided. Although he did try to guide you towards their Mastery Program I had no plans in pursuing it. Am sure it would be quite helpful but I also know there are great real estate books out there to assist one, “IF” you are truly interested in changing your life. The Mastery program is quite expensive & although I could have paid for it I prefer to use it towards starting my business. I felt one got $197 worth of info. If you pay attention to the info provided & take notes with a positive mindset then you will leave there with enough info to get you started. It is a great starting guide. The next step is to research other sources that don’t cost 15k-34k. Overall all I highly recommend it to anyone looking for a starting guide into Real Estate Investment. I also recommend you get your real estate license, that will help.

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    Mary says:

    February 22nd, 2015 at 9:12 am

    I paid $200 for a workshop. Basically what I got was hours of infomercial with a couple of tidbits of good information. On day one 9:00-5:30 –it was lots of hype, pep talks, and 2 bits of useful information.
    Day two– 9:00-6:00 — they started “interviews” for the real reason we were there: to sell us another seminar for 25k. They went on and on on how we needed their next step, also they went on and on on their different programs that were an additional cost I’m sure. I got a couple of bits of information. While sitting there bored and not interested in blowing more of my money. I researched on my smart phone about others that paid for this service and how they were scamed of thousands of dollars. I also came across other web sites where I found valuable information for free
    Day three– I decided not to go and waste anymore time. As I had already wasted $200 and 2 days.
    DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME OR MONEY. I went to biggerpockets and found great and useful info for free


    Gabriel says:
    July 2nd, 2015 at 9:59 am

    You have to determine what level you want to be involved in this business. DON’T LISTEN TO MARY. It will be a weste of your time if you allow it to be. I told myself that I was going to get something out of it and I got tons out of it. Best $197.00 I invested in a long time. The problem is this the value is not in the information it is in the implementation. I can give you a Mcdonalds franchise but if you don’t show that you can run it or not willing to learn how to run it you will fail.


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    Jalauren says:
    March 8th, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    Mary, Where did u find the free info? I am signed up for a class in April.

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    Christine says:

    January 22nd, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    Let me start by defining the word scam: A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

    Now let me explain how it works.
    You attend a free 2 hour seminar- where they give you a taste of the information in which they will be covering at the 3-day workshop. You attend the 3-day workshop (for $200) where they give you a taste of the mastery training program (which costs $20k-34k, depending on how much hand-holding you need and for how long).

    I attended both the seminar and workshop, but I can’t comment on the mastery training program, because I didn’t sign up for it. From what I can tell, it can’t really be a scam because they don’t promise you anything. The mastery program is just an educational program- it’s a school on how to invest in real estate. You create your own success or failure with the info they give you, which seems to be mostly in the form of webinars. All of the information they introduce you to at the workshop seems really important and legit, BUT ONLY if you’re willing to sign up for the training program, I really do think that they break it down for you step-by-step in the training and want you to succeed. If you DON’T plan on going to the mastery training program- IT IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF YOUR TIME TO GO TO THE SEMINAR AND THE WORKSHOP.

    For three days, you will get bombarded with information that you can’t use. If you’re new to real estate/ rehabbing/ wholesaling/ etc- the only thing you will learn is that you’d be stupid to try and do this on your own. There is so much information that you can not possibly absorb it all. And for $200 they apparently can’t even spring for any handouts- you have to take your own notes and try to interpret them later. A lot, if not all of the information is useless, they give you a broad suggestion that you will need to structure your corporation a certain way so that you don’t get sued and loose everything- but they don’t tell you enough details about it for it to be helpful. They will tell you that you need to find hard money lenders and retail buyers, but they won’t tell you how to find them.

    All the preliminary seminars/ workshops are a teaser, all of the real information is, of course, in the mastery program. You really think they’re going to give away trade secrets and business plans for $200? You will be sorely disappointed.

    As a whole though, the only way the seminar/ workshop is worth it is if you sign up for the mastery program, which is set up quite intelligently. You sign up to learn how to buy, sell, and research houses. They teach you how they want you to conduct business, then they invest in your finds. Basically you do the grunt work (find the deals) and they evaluate your find and invest their money in your project. They get an easy return on their investment and you get any profit left over. It really is, in theory, pretty genius. They have a pool of investments that someone else already did the research on and you have a pool of investors, so you don’t have to front your own money. WIN/WIN

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    Chris H. says:

    January 15th, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    Flip this house ??
    Do yourself a favor and flip these slickersters the bird.
    Just a scheme to move your money from your pockets to theirs.

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    Denny L says:

    January 11th, 2015 at 12:43 pm

    Fortune builders is not a scam but it certainly is not for everybody. Only a few possess the drive needed to succeed in real estate investing. If you are one of the few this is a fantastic organization with superior training. Problem is that most people don’t have the drive or smarts needed to succeed. To them it probably feels like a scam. But the real problem isn’t Fortune Builders, it lies within the people that think they can succeed and get rich without working for it and educating themselves along the way. There is no profession on earth that you can pay a few dollars to and get rich. Hard work and intelligence is always needed to succeed. Fortune Builders provides a format to those that can grasp it and it is one of the best formats out there


    Gabriel says:
    July 2nd, 2015 at 10:02 am

    Amen to that- Great post!!!!!


    Ashanti wade says:
    January 24th, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    I agree. Going to day 3 tomorrow, and although out of my capabilities right now, it’s as far as I can see, a reputable and brilliant concept that would/work if you do. Period.

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    Smart Guy says:

    January 10th, 2015 at 1:02 pm

    I went to a “free seminar” event. The two hour event was free. During this 2 hour event, the guy who was giving a speech for that 2 hour event was giving general information about real estate investing. He was more of a motivational speaker trying to get people pumped up thinking you will make a lot of money in real estate. He claimed there is a lot of info that this 2 hour event is not enough to cover all info. So he uses a sales pitch saying he’s giving substantial discount to attend a “3 day bootcamp” for $197.00 if you register today, otherwise the cost would be over $1000.00. I went to the event. and paid. I should have been smart and did online research. Online research indicates they provide these types of seminars at a lot of places for $197.00. So this is part of how they make money.
    Anyways, I went to a portion of that “3 day bootcamp” The speaker there was very similar. That guy was also more of a motivational speaker. He seemed like he knew a lot about real estate but he also was making it sound like it is so easy to make money in real estate. There is a saying, “If it’s too good to be true, it probably is.” That saying properly applies here. He was teasing the crowd about all these numbers, profit potential, and some case studies where a big profit was made in a short period of time.
    During the first day the guy was trying to up-sell people into joining the “Mastery Program” One lady in the crowd asked how much it is and the speaker totally dodged the question. He said something along the lines, “That shouldn’t be the question. You should believe in yourself and if you’re serious and thinking like an investor then you should try.”
    Well, I did online research and saw that the mastery program can cost b/w 15k-30k. In the application for this program it asks you about your personal finances and the value in each of the accounts. This is clearly personal information. If they claim you can do real estate without using your own money then why do they need to know your personal information?
    Clearly there are too many red flags and there is so much these “motivational speakers” are not telling you. They appear to be saying all the good things and leaving all the bad things out. Please be smart and avoid going to Fortune Builders seminars. It’s just a waste of time.


    Tony J says:
    January 25th, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    Hi Cora… Well I totally disagree with you… I went to the Robert Allen Institute quite a few years ago… It got me started in Real Estate Investing and in the following 5 years I flipped 5 houses and made about $75000 dollars.. All of these seminars are designed to introduce you to a business opportunity.. The same goes for Fortune Builders and any other company… Of course a lot of people will invest their money and not do anything with it… So I ask you.. who’s fault was it??? I’m sure they didn’t put a gun to your head… People simply love to blame everybody else and never take responsibility for their own actions… Unfortunately, this is how most of our society thinks… Wake up people… YOU are responsible for your life… what you do.. what you eat… what you spend… who you associate with… I’M JUST SAYING!!!!!!


    Cora L says:
    January 11th, 2015 at 12:49 am

    All those Real Esate Seminars are Cyber Criminals. I know several that invested and lost all their money. Stay away from every free invitation to attend a Real Estate Seminar. Robert Allen Institute was a scam, you don’t hear about his Real Estate Seminars because the word got around about his deceitful cunning promises that never came to pass. Please do yourself a favor and don’t attend any real estate Seminar, they are crooked.

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    Gardengalin says:

    January 6th, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    Any info common sense. Then they want more money. First give me something small I could use then maybe I would feel it wasn’t a scam

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    Connor says:

    November 26th, 2014 at 2:29 am

    I’ve found that the people who write negative things are just negative in their own life and want to blame others for where they are currently. These same people will never write anything positive……ever. As someone who doesn’t do either or give my opinion online because I think you need to learn from your own experiences and not others, I felt obligated to stick up for such a quality organization.

    I attended the event last weekend and truly enjoyed the experience, the people, the mindset shift and their positive energy. As someone who comes from a negative group of people, it was great to be in a good environment for 3 days. The education is great and worth way more than the investment they charge. I learned more about making money then I did in 4 years of college. The advisors gave me a plan going forward and I’m excited to implement the systems I’ve learned.

    Thann and Paul you have an amazing company and amazing people that represent your organization. Thank you!


    Connor says:
    December 29th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    First Deal under contract. Looks like a wholesale deal, implementing everything they taught me and now increasing my belief even more in the things I learned in 3 days. Thank you Cynthia for holding me accountable!


    Cynthia says:
    December 26th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    I was hoping that you could follow up one month out and tell us if you have been able implement any of what you learned?

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    Randy F says:

    October 29th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Been a student of FB for last 6 yrs.
    Best investment into me that I have ever made.
    Paul, JD, Konrad, Than, thank you.


    Mary says:
    February 22nd, 2015 at 9:28 am

    Wow!! You’ve been a student for 6 years? How long do you have to be a student? When can you go on your own?

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    JOHN says:

    October 24th, 2014 at 8:20 pm



    Sam L says:
    January 9th, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    Did you attend the three day class?

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    October 21st, 2014 at 6:23 am


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    Cory says:

    October 12th, 2014 at 2:47 am

    Ok, I went to the free orientation and they open your eyes to the potential of a self sustaining company. However, the catch was a 3 day course for $200 which was a WEALTH of incredibly awesome information about business, investing, and real estate. HOWEVER, there is another catch on the second day. the mastery program ranges from $20k-$35k and must be paid in full to actually acquire their help to be a self starter. I dont have that cash in hand and they also do not disclose their success rate. The idea is to borrow as much as you can as fast as you can and flip it as soon as you can, which is how to beat the competition. Thing is, they create so much competition in the real estate business that the mastery course is not needed if you can come up with any business model. You can use their techniques in their 3 day course to become a great investor. However, it takes time and practice that you almost need that full on training for months during that mastery course to have the coaching. I recommend this course to anyone but the real estate market is tough and you must stand out. They get you all pumped up, then drop this 33,000 dollar tuition for coaching that should of been noted in the free orientation. I would like to try but I cant pull that money out of thin air, the only reason they accept you is if you have the money to pay upfront but i learned a lot about investing and i plan to start somewhere other than real estate that doesnt have quite as tough a competition.


    Delilah says:
    October 29th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    I would love to know other places to invest other than real estate. I went to the 3 day seminar too and while it is a wealth of knowledge the $33,000 for the tuition could be a nice chunk of money toward buying your first investment property. My brother invests and it is on a smaller scale but you don’t need to pay $33,000 to learn how to invest.

    Just my thoughts

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    Jim says:

    October 11th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    Hi, I met Than, Paul, JD and Jeremy back in 2005-2007 when they use to come over to the REI group I belonged to. They even invited us over to see view their operation at CT Homes (1 hour away). They had quite an impressive company. Back then they were just starting the selling of packages and boot camps. Now fast forward to their 3 day course. I attended one last year that Jeremy was giving. It was full of information a lot of it I already knew but there were a few things that either were new to me or I had forgotten. As an investor it was worth the $197 for the education and motivational aspect of the course. As someone else said on here when I went I left all credit cards home. I had no plan on signing up for their mastery course. I could use that money towards a project. What I feel was a waste of time was the 2 hour course to get people to sign up for the 3 day course. If they had a way to sign up for the 3 day course directly for $197 that would be worth it.

    So my suggestion to people looking to get involved in Real Estate investing. If you go to their 3 day course, just be a sponge. A lot of it will fly over your head (if new) but take notes. Then search out a local REI in your area and join. A lot of times the more experienced investors are willing to help new investors and are always willing to answer questions. Plus this is where you will make your best contacts, realtors, mortgage lenders, hard money lenders, other investors.

    $197 is not a lot of money even if you only come away with 1 idea it can be well worth it. (but spending $25,000 or more, use that for a project)

    Good Luck.


    Thounair says:
    March 7th, 2015 at 12:18 am

    Hey Jim what do you mean by Join an RI group? Such as who? Could you explain?


    Lady Di says:
    February 19th, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    Agreed, makes total sense!


    Delilah says:
    October 29th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    I totally agree!

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    Carolyn Blakeslee says:

    August 31st, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    I went to the 3-day seminar in Gainesville, FL this weekend. It was just excellent. I took my laptop to take notes, and I took about 60 pages of notes single-spaced (I typed nearly full-time). Sure, the free morning seminar was a little bit cheesy ($1,197 normal cost but you can get it for $197 today), but I’m used to those kinds of tactics in these environments. You go to the free event and enter their sales funnel; you sign up for their middle product/opportunity; and then you get pitched for their high-end product and/or their membership program. I’ve been to enough of these to recognize the extreme value of their mid-range product, and to know to (a) leave my cards and cash at home all weekend, and (b) sit on my hands if asked to raise a hand if interested in another opportunity. You go to the seminar, extract the value, digest it for a few days or weeks, and decide LATER if you want to go further, not in the heat of the moment.

    These guys were okay with that. Never was I personally pressured to be interviewed or to sign up for the $30K mastery course. There was no belittling of people there who declined to do so. In fact, on both the first and second days, our trainer said that if anyone in the room felt they weren’t receiving value, to go to the back of the room and request a refund and enjoy the rest of their Labor Day weekend. Their was no emotional implication that that would be the wrong thing to do. He also invited us all weekend to bring friends and family to the training at no extra charge, because we would be working together in all this.

    Okay, to the course itself. It was outstanding. After the second day of our education, I had enough knowledge that had I taken this course 2.5 years before, I would have been able to forestall the impending foreclosure and emergency sale of my property, and this would have been worth $500,000 to me. I hadn’t heard of the course then, but it’s safe to say that this knowledge will serve me well in the future. To be knowledgeable is to be armed against events like that.

    We were given tremendous insights into how to conduct real estate transactions with integrity and value, taught how to approach private investors, coached to help others in every way from helping people stay in their homes to spreading the wealth to collaborators, and given an in-depth overview in how to protect our personal assets. We were essentially given blueprints or roadmaps that we could look up, research further, and fill in later on at home.

    I would highly recommend this course. The $30K Mastery course? Not now. There’s a lot I need to do first, including cleaning up the aftermath of a nasty divorce, which is primarily catching up on back tax returns; and I would like to earn my real estate license in order to have access to my state-specific contracts and the MLS. I’ll also pay attention to the Fortune Builders web sites and Facebook pages to catch their free trainings, webinars, and deal case studies in order to deepen my education free of charge for now. Mastery later on? There’s a good possibility.

    Again, I highly recommend the 3-day course.


    Carlos says:
    April 5th, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    Can I get a copy of your notes too, I attended the 3 day seminar? Lots of notes what to compare. I’ll send you mine. WIN/WIN


    Kevin says:
    February 14th, 2015 at 1:32 pm

    I went to the seminar also Carolyn and agree with you. Any way I can get a copy of your notes. I’m missed half of the good information when typing down important stuff.

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    Susan says:

    August 31st, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    This company is one big scam
    just like Trump University.
    They lure innocent people into their
    seminars and than try to sell them seminars
    for thousands of dollars.
    These are a bunch of con men who belong
    in the same place where Bernie Madoff is.


    Cognoscenti says:
    March 9th, 2015 at 8:27 pm

    Hear hear, Susan


    Lisa says:
    November 23rd, 2014 at 1:13 am

    Did you attend any of their seminars, or are you speaking out of ignorance? I’m looking for valid reviews, not uneducated accusations.

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    Page says:

    August 16th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Biggest joke of my life, just sat through one agonizing day of fortune scammers… I felt dumber for attending. I actively invest and put off a rehab project to attend, BIG MISTAKE…. I so upset I’m not going to waist any more time even finishing this review… Be smart read the reviews… Go buy a good realestate book and save yourself some time and frustration, these guys are jerks and should be ashamed.
    Yes they know some steps to investing, but most is bull that they tell you as will not work in the real world.
    Aloha, Im going to work on one of my properties now, something i should have been doing yesterday instead of wasting my time at the first day of the 3 day sales presentation trying to get me to give them 30k to be a master bater….


    Mary says:
    February 22nd, 2015 at 9:36 am

    You tell it like it is. I don’t think that is negative


    Page says:
    August 16th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    That star you see should be a negative 5 stars !

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    Brad Bales says:

    August 10th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    I attended his Summit in Indianapolis Indiana I really enjoyed it the system only works if you put 100% into it it’s not pay 40,000 and get rich I never once heard anything like that I just hope the next time it comes around I’ll be ready the legal and contract information alone I would buy it for ! I truly believe it’s a great program

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    James says:

    June 22nd, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    My wife and I just attended the 3 day seminar here in Omaha NE. I will say as a recruiter myself that is all this is, a recruitment seminar! But I wont dog on it as it was full of a lot of good information that I did not know. But as far as actually giving us secrets and information that he kept telling us he would go over with us. He would start talking about ie how to find money lenders or buyers then he would talk good but around everything, very good motivational speaker.
    During the seminar he would keep bringing up ideas of being scared to just GO BIG all the time, then bring up how mastery students get this.
    It was worth the $197 for the seminar unless you already know something about real estate be very weary of giving up your $$$

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    Tonya says:

    June 15th, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    I attended the 1st seminar last month,paid the $197.00 to return to the seminar this weekend, June 13-15, at the Hyatt in New Orleans, Louisiana. Mark Connolly spoke well which I’m sure he is paid well. The seminar was informative, but to ask average citizens for $19,997.00, $24,9997.00, and $34,997.00 within 30 days in wrong. What average citizen walks around with this type money in their pockets, let alone their bank accounts. The cost of tuition is too high. Real Estate is rewarding no doubt, but the cost to start is too much.


    Danny says:
    March 9th, 2015 at 11:10 am

    The three day seminar was great. No complaints about it. I had Lee Escobar, who did a great job presenting the info. The tuition may be steep but access to the back office and materials and documents are priceless. If they would stagger the payments, that would be better. All the training could be set up in a way that a person could move forward with paying and still get the training.


    Elliott says:
    July 18th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    The cost of tuition is too high? My 4 year college degree cost me a hell of a lot more than $35K and all it did was teach me how to work for someone else. If you’re serious about starting or taking an existing real estate business to the next level this investment is nothing. Not saying you have to go with FortuneBuilders necessarily but if you’re not willing to invest that type of money into your pursuit of specialized knowledge and implementation of business systems, well then your business just isn’t going to get very far.

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    WILLIS MOORE says:

    June 5th, 2014 at 8:42 pm


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    Next millonaire says:

    June 2nd, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    I have t do something i dont want i refuse to be poor the rest of my life, i know people have failed to do it but people has succeed if they could why cant i, to be honest 25 thousand dollars will not last you a year after retirement then what, 401 k and lose it all when the market is down or a bank cd that earns you 500 dollars in two months ill have 40 years to make my twenty five thousand dollars again what i wont have is the oportunity to change my life around again ,its funny how people think someone would make them rich for two hundred dollars, no 197 to be exact, im all in its def better to try to change my life in a positive way than sit on my couch writing how jeremy didnt made me rich for two hundred dollars and still be poor and work 60 years to pay someone else investments cuz def some one owns my house and make money out of it , its not a lie that real state its a good business , people who complains and do nothing , will never have nothing, ,again think obout it what would that money do for your furure, not a dang thing anyhow,,,, mind as well give it a try you will never know until you do ,unless you all looser make me rich for 197 dollars , Hahaha, yeah i dont think so,,,,

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    John M says:

    May 8th, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    I attended a “FREE” seminar a few days ago on flipping homes. What they ultimately try to get you to do is to sign up for their 3 day course on flipping homes which will take place on a another date. During this seminar everything they discuss was very general, they didn’t give me enough information and how to flip homes but if I wanted the specifics I could sign up for their 3 days course for only $197.00 and if I signed up that very day I could get a discount. I can’t speak for he 3 day course as I realized I was wasting my time and walked out.


    Delilah says:
    October 29th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Charles how have you progressed since you started? have you been able to do well so far? Have you flipped any properties?

    Let me know if you don’t mind. I am contemplating this.


    Charles P says:
    May 29th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    I went to the three day seminar and the information there was vastly more useful than the free workshop they initially invited you to. Of course they aren’t just going to give away all the money making secrets to the general public for free, what sense does that make to a company? Anyway, the next stage was to get you to sign up for the mastery class which is terribly expensive, but there are lower classes that take you through different ways to make money in real estate. My mom and I partnered up and enrolled in one of their classes (wholesaling) and have learned a tremendous amount about marketing and wholesaling to make serious money in real estate. We were given a coach who connects with us every week to make sure we are progressing and gives us actions to perform to help our business grow. This is the real deal guys, yes it takes money to make money but hell nothing’s free in this world and with the returns that you make its not really any risk , the key is educating yourself and making informed decisions.

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    george spires says:

    May 5th, 2014 at 6:38 am

    We recieved a free gift for attending a seminar with an attached link to a website…unfortunately the website isnt in operation….im not sure any of the information I recieved is helpful at all…been in construction forever….it seemed to me the goal was to string you along for more and more money…and the unoperable website just bolsters my suspicion.

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    Constiant says:

    April 27th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    I attended these courses, and found out zip, Contractors? hmmm, they are over this country, trust one, and you will have a deal in your hand, believe in yourself, not what someone has told you, if you believe in you, and your worth, then, that is what you do, Than M, icon or foe, which will it be, , if this is so darn important, SHOW UP AND TEACH THEM YOURSELF, this would give hope instead of having all these constant people who do your work for you.
    Maybe the people who work for this company should blow it off, or are they contracted to do this,
    Money talks volumes for some people, but when it comes to scamming them into it, is WRONG the good lord will be watching that is for sure.
    So people who believe, in this, should be in a room by themselves, the People who believe in themselves are the one’s I believe in,
    Get away before you are out of money, and find out how easy this is on your own.


    Camila says:
    September 26th, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    If it were that easy on your own, then why isn’t everyone doing it? I’d much rather pay to implement someone’s tried and true system then waste my time and energy trying to figure out my own and failing more than I need to.

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    Michelle K says:

    March 31st, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    I just attended the 3 day workshop for Fortune Builders in Daytona Beach, FL and all I can say is that it was one of the most wonderful experiences of my life, I learned so much, I had fun!!

    It is not a scam, I read all the horrible reviews written here, and I understand that many people have been scammed before. I have been scammed in the past as well, it doesn’t mean that everyone is a scammer out there this was the real deal!!

    It is totally worth it, if you have not gone to one of these workshops I absolutely encourage you to do so, you will not regret it. If you cannot afford the coaching program, is ok. The information that you gather from the 3 day workshop will help you get there.

    There is a way to reach your goal, a way to start your Real Estate Investment Business, but I am not going to give it away, it was for me and all the people that were eager to learn something new and change their lives for the better in this 3 day weekend. You will never know until you try.

    When I returned home, I was a different person, full of positive energy and knowledge…I will be looking forward to more seminars in the near future!!

    Fortune Builders ROCK!!!!


    Camila says:
    September 26th, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    I’m only on my first day and I’m exhausted but so excited because I know more now than I ever would’ve learned on my own watching a show or reading a book, and I am doing it in a crazy short amount of time. It’s up to me now to put it to the test!

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    D-Man says:

    March 10th, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    I have been in construction for a long time and flipped multiple properties with great success. I teamed up with a gentleman who had paid the $25,000 to join the mastery program. I have not been impressed at all for all the money that was spent to this program. Everything they tell you is stuff you should know from common sense or you pay someone for again when setting up your business. For example setting up your Inc. most people would hire or I would hope so a Attorney to set it up. Well guess what he is a professional that’s why you use them! On your books and accounting you hire a CPA who knows all the ins and outs of how to maximize your profits. Maybe worth $250 but I would never pay $25,000


    Rita n says:
    January 6th, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    Just returned from a free seminar They want money for nothing. Would not attend unless you want to blow money. Use the 25,000 buy a property and do it yourself


    Lynee Mallory says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    i know right I agree with you thanks for the info. :)


    Ron B Oklahoma City says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    Thanks, saved some time for me.

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    dannyb027 says:

    February 17th, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    I just attended a the three day seminar in Irvine, CA. Like the name says its about Fortune Building, not just a class for real estate know-how. The $197 that I paid was well worth the information I received, even if I had to sift through the sales pitch parts. The thoroughness Cole used to outline the business modal is enough to be able to build your own company but you must be willing to pay for the mistakes you make as you go. I’m serious about real estate investing and would have bought into the $25,000 program just to have access to someone who’s been there/done that, instead, I will try and build according to what I learned and hope that my mistakes will cost me less than the $25,000 coaching fee. Regardless, everyone who owns a house or rental prop. should sit through the 3 day education seminar. There are a lot of tidbits which most consumers don’t even know about. No wonder why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer…

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    Disappointed says:

    February 17th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    I just attended the 3 day seminar in Indy. I have to say the reviews are correct. It is informative, entertaining to say the least ,and a scam all at the same time. We were looking basically to find out how to connect with investors. We never left with that information because we were never shown how to find them just asked to buy the data bases for $25,000.00 Sadly, I watched people give these guys $25,000 for a backpack full of information that they could have gotten on their own if they put in the time.
    The sadest thing was watching an elderly lady who drank so much of the kool-aid being served that she had to buy in – she had 3 credit cards out begging for her back pack full of names and phone numbers. Sadly – this women, along with a lot of the people in the room will not likely have a private investor look at her and want to turn over 50K for the outstanding 15% return. Professionals who work hard for their money will care if the person they are investing with look professional and appear to have the ability to turn their money into something – that is not what the room was filled with
    Jeremy – you had good information and most of it was correct but being a Business Teacher who teaches finance – there were a few times it pained me to remain quiet. However, Indiana does teach financial literacy it is a State requirement and all high school students must take it. This went in to place with the Economy fell – you should know your market and know what you are selling. There was absolutely no Q&A time – why are you afaid to let people ask questions? You have a great presence in your presentation if you could just stop with the hard sell. Because we are already invested in real estate we did not really feel we learned anything but did get confirmation that we are doing things right and motivation to get in deeper. It would have been nice to truly have gotten the info on how to find investors or how we might be able to put money up to get the 15% ROR on our money.

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    Neverquitsworkin says:

    January 25th, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    Four of us went to 2 of the 3 days of the seminar in Tampa, having purchased two packages at the 2 hour introduction. Our biggest disappointment is that the third day is on a Sunday and there’s no way to get the lessons via recording or any other way. Since we have prior church commitments (i.e., pastor of a church), we were only able to get to 2 of the 3 days. However, we all felt like we learned an incredible amount. (And no, we couldn’t find substitutes for all that we do.)

    My husband refers to listening to people like Jeremy Black as “Drinking from a fire hydrant.” We felt like we were being sprayed on with an incredibly powerful hose of information. Some of us caught half of it. Some of us caught 80% of it and some of it, well, it just went over our heads.

    We have four homes and we are currently invested in over 18 rental homes so far, and really have just been learning as we go. I wish we would have had something like this to help us get started “correctly.” I hate to think about how much money we “could have, should have, would have” made had we known how to do this correctly. I guess we’ve been doing it all backwards. Sigh.

    The sales pitch was annoying, especially after lunch on the second day when the chairs got incredibly.. and I mean, incredibly … hard to sit on. But, we had done our homework, were prepared for it, and stuck it out. I was ever so grateful for the sheet that spelled out the exact costs for the different levels of the Mastery Program, as that sure helped with the credibility factor.

    We did not even put in our application for the Mastery Program, at this point, because we probably would NOT have been accepted, as we’re in so deep, doing it all wrong, that they’d probably have just considered it all a waste of time, and that was one BIG thing that Jeremy did emphasize over and over again — do NOT waste my time!

    We took away so much information and so many ideas, so many Book Titles, lesson titles, lists, ideas for where to go and what to do next and pages and pages of notes, that I’m sure we can make this little $394 investment ($197×2) pay for itself over and over again!

    When my second son gets out of college, where he’s currently learning a LOT of incredibly valuable life lessons, I’m going to encourage him to go to this and apply for the Mastery training, so that at least one of us will know what we’re supposed to be doing!

    This doesn’t get 5 stars, even though I thought it was terrific, only because I really wanted still MORE MEAT, and less hype and more information, forms, etc., and less promo.

    Oh, and by the way, the excerpt from “Facing the Giants” was incredible, but I sure wish you had given them movie credit for using the short episode about the importance of a great coach! It was powerful and moving.

    The Mastery students were ALWAYS available to talk to, but with 155 people in the room, there were not enough of them to go around, and the breaks quite brief, so there wasn’t really time to get into some serious conversations with them. I was encouraged to make an appointment to talk to one of them twice, after the program, but by then, we were all wiped out and needing to get home to the “9 to 5” jobs that currently pay our bills.

    Anyone who thought it was a waste of time really is naive and frankly, was probably too ignorant to realize just how much information that was presented. I do NOT consider myself a novice at all, but still learned terms such as “bandit signs,” “Squeeze Pages” and Wholesaling properties.

    I took away valuable information that I can use in my current business, which will make me a better business owner and manager, as well.

    All in all, I’m so incredibly thankful that we had the opportunity to go, felt like it was challenging mentally and loved seeing the enthusiasm that everyone in the room had….

    …clap, clap… clap.. CRUSH IT!

  • Robert says:

    January 20th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    I went to a recent seminar in Rochester NY, I could sense it was a scam. The pitch, “This is $1197.00 but jump on it now for $197.00 after we leave, it will be $1197.00 so many people fall for that kind of presure sales crap. I asked the people selling the %197.00 “Are you going to try and sell me anything else after this?” He said no, no up selling takes place at the 3 day seminar. This guy could not even look me in the eye when he said this. I tried to talk a few people out of throwing their money away. Hopefully I saved a few people their money. These scam artist make money on seminar training, not real estate. Hope this was helpful, I hate to see people get conned, it has happened to me before and it is an awful feeling to be taken for a ride and conned.

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    prakash says:

    November 20th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    thaks guys I just attende the free 2 hour seminar and it sounds like scam….just go do your real estate course and become a realtor and do on your own….first he tells the couse is $1197 and later he tells thousand dollar discount …and the course will be for $197…who gives an instant $1000 discount …what a scam.

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    Mary says:

    November 13th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    The 3 day course was on point. However, they are marketing genesis. I loved the information not all the hype and pressure. I not sure I will invest 25,000, I’m on the fence, I would need more of a guarantee. There should be something to guarantee that if you follow all the advice word for word.

    I understood most of everything they taught only because I had some knowledge of real estate investing. I’ve invested in 10 properties over past 10 years. I was turned off thinking of the other 50 percent in the class that had no idea of what they were talking about. It would be difficult but not impossible to successfully complete the program in the 6 months time frame given without some previous knowledge. I’m not convinced 6 months would be enough mentoring. After all life happens sometimes to slow us down?

    I am a very hard worker, and would be pissed if I invested and did not get my money’s worth. The course is possibly over priced? I need more proof that it works, Possible publish the past 300 clients that attended the Mastery to be able to verify their claims?

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    Mike Huiras says:

    October 20th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I am currently attending the 3day seminar. I have been given the quote sheet about the prices of the program. Since the first hour of the program, Jeremy Black has stated “We are a for profit company”. Fortune Builders in business to make money. It will cost money for the course. Private education is expensive. Have you paid for college? Have you paid to go to a private learning institution? It cost lots of money. There aren’t any guarantees that you will become successful because you are educated. Education does help you make better decisions. Work is hard, trying to make money through real estate is hard. This program is not for everyone. Fortune Builders is looking for people who are competitive, have a low risk aversion, and are willing to work very hard for a long time. How many people who have posted on this line have become experts in their job after 6 months? It takes a long time to become proficient in your job. How much time and energy have you spent fine tuning your skills? How much would you charge people, to teach them your job? How much would you charge your employer to pay you to teach your job to someone else? Would it be $197 for three days of work?
    If you sincerely listen to the speakers, they tell you over and over again. It is going to cost you to take this course. That is not a secret. You will have to put a lot of time into the program to learn the stuff. You will not always get the same return on your money as other folks show in the example. You must be willing to take risks. The more education you have about your decisions will help you make better decisions. There is no pill or quick rich scheme to make you money in the program.
    Finally, If you think you were given a line of crap, ask for your money back. How many disgruntled people asked for their money back? It was one of the first things Jeremy Black offered after the first break. If you are not interested in this program, if it is not for you, ask for your money back. Don’t waist time sitting here if you are not willing to make an investment in your education, or are not willing to “put some of your own skin into the program.”

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    New Mastery Student says:

    October 8th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    I had an excellent time there and got exactly what I expected out of it. This IS NOT a get rich quick scheme. There was nothing in the presentation that lead anyone to believe that it was. Judging by the negative reviews it seems waaaay too many people expect something for nothing or expect somebody to do it for them. If you went there with the expectation of becoming a millionaire real estate investor in three days… then you’re a fool. If you’re claiming it’s a “scam”, then that is exactly what you expected. A true real estate investor makes money in any market. Hopefully some of you get back on the horse…any horse because sitting there complaining isn’t gonna get it done.


    J in ATL says:
    February 21st, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    Today I completed the first day of the 3 day $197. course.
    Really fast I will tell you my background; I have bought 8 houses in the past 10 years, live in 1, sold 2, and currently rent 5.
    I know some stuff about real estate, certainly not ALOT or anywhere near everything.
    I think the first day was certainly worth 1/3 of the $197 price tag and they covered Tons of stuff I already knew. But, they reminded me of stuff I had forgotten or was not giving enough attention to.

    If I knew nothing about real estate (which was the case for most of the attendees) today alone would have been worth $197. if not More.

    NOT a SCAM at all !!! At least for the 3 Day $197 training.
    I have not seen the $25,000. training yet but… There is NO way they will get that out of me!!!

    I have 3 college degrees and yes they cost money but they also separated me from everybody else that wants to do my career but can’t because they do not have a degree or license. However, you do not need a license to become a real estate investor.

    $25,000. I could buy a house for that

    $197. Totally worth it !! For anyone !!!


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    Abby says:

    August 13th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    I don’t understand why this has so many negative reviews. I attended the three-day summit and I learned a lot. Do I know the ins and outs of house flipping now? No. You can’t possibly learn that in 3 days. But I do feel like a have a solid foundation and am ready to begin my business with my business partner who attended the summit with me.

    We signed up for the Masters program and are looking forward to growing our new company with the knowledge and tools we will receive from joining.


    simplysteadfast says:
    July 17th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    Hi Abby! I am on the fence about moving forward with the FB Mastery Program. I wanted to hear from the new FB Mastery Program students and get their personal opinion and thoughts. I am and would be totally new to this industry.

    Can I assume you completed the FB Mastery Program?
    What was the cost levels offered and which did you sign into?
    Is there an annual membership costs? How long was the entire FB Mastery Program you attended? Was is worth the investment?

    Hope to hear back from you and other new fb mastery program students.


    Robin and Creed says:
    September 25th, 2013 at 7:09 am

    3+ years ago my business partner in Real Estate and I recognized that the way we operated our business in the past just wasn’t the way of the future….we pooled our remaining pennies and went to the Fortune Builders presentation in Boise. No, Than wasn’t there…but, we didn’t go to see Than! We wanted information that would ‘change our minds’…. ‘open our minds’ …. ‘kick us in the rear’ …. get us moving again. I’ve been in Real Estate for almost 40 years now and have helped a lot of people buy, sell, exchange, invest, become Realtors….all of what you can do in Real Estate in some form or another, I’ve done! NOW….sincerely with the help of Fortune Builders motivation, program outline, support and application….we have purchased over 100 properties and now hold over 70 properties that create cash flow….flipped another 30 +/-……and continue to operate with 100% private money. The truth is that this type of program is not for everyone! Than’s group will not come and live with you and program you to take the initiative of making the program work..It’s work and it’s not easy…even for someone who’s been in the business as long as I have! But, the time goes by anyway…you might as well jump in and expend the effort in a positive adventure…’CUZ THIS ONE WORKS! Business today is sharing with others…..I’d love to be one to present our successes in a presentation of Fortune Builders….some would love me…and some hate me….that’s the way of the world….but, I’m doing it so, learn or not….I’m still doing it!!!!

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    Jake says:

    August 10th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    I attended a seminar it was very informational. But what I would like to know is the mastery program the only legitimate program to be successful? I was told to start off wholesaling but wasn’t offered to attend any boot camp or access to the estimating tool for scope of work. Does anyone have clarity on this?

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    Elly says:

    August 8th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    I attended the 3 day seminar in San Diego. The information that I learned was very basic. Find contractor through Angie’s list. They went through Quickbook accounting very brief. I drove to San Diego from LA. I took one day off from work. What a waste of my time and money. 80% is sales pitch. Some of them I already heard on my local real estate club.

    Some attendees are mastery students. I felt sorry for them. Attending this event once is more than enough for me. They have to attend how many times?

    Than Merril provides good material. The rest speakers are worthless. They treated mastery students like VIP. They have special seats, sturbuck coffee. Is this special treatments worth $30K? I don’t think so.

    Also Than Merril lied. He said we can have free online software if we participate in the bootcamp. I’ve never gotten it. I tried, but had no success.

    If you really want to learn from them, just buy Than Merril’s training material on ebay. His training material is good, but not the bootcamp.

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    jean in Orlando says:

    July 21st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    The weekend class has been a 21 hour commercial that my husband and I spent $200 to attend. What a waste of time and money. Our presenter showed his home movies. Congratulations on your new son, Ry Guy.

    I would also like to suggest that someone in the organization hire an English major to clean up both the workbook and the slide show.

    Let me also urge others to save their money and time.

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    Luzi Motoomull says:

    June 11th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    I am very happy to be in a class with our speaker Jeremy Black, and paid #200.00 and its worth learning. He has exceptional talent based on his experience. I learned to improve my self confidence and motivation with the knowledge that I got from this event. Trust the system and put a little faith.

    Good Luck and God Bless to ALL.

    Luzi M.

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    Jay says:

    May 27th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    This Fortune Builders program isn’t what you think it is. First I truly believe their software is top notch and could greatly aid people looking to invest in Real Estate. My problem was the 3 day seminar and how they went about it. The seminar was basically a 200 hundred dollar infomercial. All those notes people took and all the “secrets” Jeremy Black gave are useless, unless you buy “The Mastery” programs. Jeremy Black is a great salesman. He’s not a coach or your friend, he’s a salesman. He gained peoples trust, showed compassion and connected with people. He actually had people thinking they were learning information they could use. In fact he was selling the entire time.

    I truly question the integrity of the people who run this program. In my seminar Jeremy tells us all the prices for the Mastery program (25,000-20,000-19,000). Knowing that he just took away many peoples dreams about this event, he starts telling a sob story and cries. This had a lot of people hook line and sinker. Throughout the seminar Jeremy tells us he’s paid upwards to 7,000 dollars to sit and learn from other great speakers. Why did he do that? To learn how to connect with a mass crowd, gain trust and then sell them something. Most people didn’t even know they were being sold something until he announced the prices for the program ON THE SECOND DAY. Many of the people there thought the 200 dollars would get them real information to help them invest in Real Estate. The 200 dollars paid for us to get an opportunity to be sold another product that most couldn’t afford. Many people in that room probably had to budget just to afford the initial 200 dollars.

    The 3 day seminar is without a doubt a scam. Also to get the results they talk about, you can’t get do it in your “Free time”. Jeremy Black got people to drink the kool aid and ask for seconds. Like I said before the technology may be top notch. Yet I wish I had the chance to turned down the chance to invest 15,000-20,000-25,000 before I paid them 200 dollars. We didn’t they tell people up front what the prices were??? They even encouraged people to max out there credit cards smh. No finance plan you have to pay this weekend, how is that helping anybody? I could honestly afford the 15,000 dollar program. Hell I might have honestly considered buying it had they been up front. Instead I had to sit through the fake crying of Jeremy Black, the same slides and a two day infomercial. I feel sorry for the hardworking people who invested 200 dollars, with hopes and dreams only to get swindled.


    Carroll says:
    April 26th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    I agree with your review. I attended a day and 1/2 and couldn’t take it anymore. This $197.00 class is nothing more than a sales pitch with maybe 10% information you can use. No way will you ever be able after this class to begin investing, flipping, wholesaling, rebabbing, nothing! I went with a friend as her guest so I didn’t pay and didn’t research this class before hand and do not know what they promised to deliver with this class, but I’m sure people thought they would get more than a 3 day sales pitch! It’s really sad, but this class is a scam. I didn’t sign up for the coaching so I can’t comment on that, but judging by the way they handled this class I wouldn’t expect them to deliver what they promise.

  • david says:

    May 21st, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    I just attented a 3 day event in Ontario Ca. I felt it was well worth the money! And look forward to joining the Mastery Program. If you wanna get big you gotta go big and you gotta learn from those who are big.


    Mike says:
    July 21st, 2013 at 5:13 pm


    We live close to you, how did things work out so far…

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    seminar guest says:

    May 5th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    We had great expectations for the weekend; both me and my wife attended the conference. By the second day we became aware that basically they were trying to sell the Mastery Coaching Program; our weekend turn out to be an infomercial offer, over and over the same stories over and over. By the end of the third day it seemed that SUCCESS and HAPPINESS and WEALTH can only be attained if you became part of the Mastery Coaching System. Unfortunately, we were not interviewed though they assured that no one will be left behind ( not that we are interested in becoming part of your happy family). We wasted a weekend that we should have spent with our children (your program promotes family time, our children spent a weekend without their parents). We wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. After we cracked the numbers it seems that FB is being financed by good people like us who looked forward to a three day seminar on flipping, wholesaling and real estate investing strategies. I hope that the people who invested their money in your program truly get the DREAM LIFE you are selling and it is not just another SCAM.

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    JJMNYC says:

    April 3rd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    While I believe the program maybe good for some people, I agree with what others have said, they really don’t say how much capital a person will need – just some is needed.
    Also, the 3 day event I went to, they said that not everyone would be accepted into on of the program, and there was an interview. This was not true at all. I didn’t hear from one person who said they weren’t accepted. In other words, they are selling to everyone, whether they can and will make it or not doesn’t seem to be a concern.
    If they were sincere in being able to tell people who really don’t have the financial and/or personal and business skills that this is not a good match for them, would be good. But they are there to sell programs, not really give advise. As the age old saying goes – buyer beware!


    TL says:
    May 27th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    I just experienced their 3 day event and I can attest that they DO NOT accept everyone…even those with cash in hand were denied. There were only 7 accepted from the hundred+ that were in attendance. Those that interviewed numbered about 30+.

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    John says:

    March 11th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    This company is a scam. They just took over $12,000 from a close friend of mine who is elderly and lives on a small amount of social security income (less than $12,000 a year) for her to attend a course. I wish legal recourse could be taken against a company that would be willing to take a year’s income from an elderly women. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this company makes the national news for these scams shortly – I can already see numerous online complaints.


    Disappointed says:
    February 17th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    I just watched in happen in Indy – 2-15-14 an elderly women putting up three credit cards – I left when I saw that. I am planning to call the Better Business Bureau as well.


    CaseW says:
    May 31st, 2013 at 1:50 am

    I can promise you this didn’t happen so you have been mislead in your information. This is not any amount of money they would accept in any situation 1. and 2. they do a check of finances and even if she was 100% qualified in her education if she was living on that little money they would never accept her into the program. They are there to sell their program because they want to give people a better lifestyle through real estate investing. You have to spend money to make money.

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    Joriconis says:

    March 6th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    The company has a catch which nobody tells you.
    Between “FLIP THIS HOUSE” guys and Fortune Builders guys(presenters) there is something weird which doesn’t add up.

    First you go to “Fortune Builders guys” free seminars offered on the Radio to give you the brainwash. You don’t see any FLIP THIS HOUSE” guys in person there only on posters…..Second, you buy a prepackage of $197.00 at the end of the seminar for second seminar. After the second seminar they will selling the opportunity business and packaging programs ranging from $500 to $25,000 even more if you are prepared to throw your money. Once you are in they will ask you for other packages as well which I don’t know it anymore because I passed….. If you think you are going to be successful from this, its up to you.


    Curtis says:
    August 10th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    I paid for the 197.00 seminar and JD Esajian WAS there and presented to us and talked to us one on one. Although I did not purchase the 25,000 additional training they wanted us to sign up for I DID feel that the little info they tossed at us was useful and the networking I did while their was well worth the 197.00 I paid.

    food for thought.

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    Ryan Burk says:

    February 17th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    The entire course has nothing to do with teaching you anything. The only purpose of this event is gather your information to market and attempt to sell you more worthless information. The people that teach this course know very little about real estate and real estate law. Although they invest heavily in pumping the Internet with positive reviews, fortune builders is riddled with hundreds of comments by people that have been totally scammed. Search the web for information about these speakers.


    Jon says:
    February 21st, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Obviously Ryan, you have no idea what you are talking about. I am in the mastery program at Fortune Builders, have been in real estate for nine years, am currently flipping homes as my sole source of income and have been well educated be everything Fortune Builders has to offer. The whole course has fine tuned the art of rehabbing a house. I say that have had a fair amount of rehabbing experience.

  • Sonia says:

    January 25th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    What are the additional pitches and costs? So to actually get started.

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    Eric says:

    December 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    BBB gives ‘Reviewopedia’ an ‘F’ Clearly, not a reliable source for information

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    Jeff says:

    December 19th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    No problem with companies that are “up-front,” but this one requires reporting to FTC [and] BBB – they use FALSE UP-FRONT MARKETING! They have radio ads that say, “blah, blah, ‘Flip this House,’ and we are looking for a few people who want to partner with us and make money flipping houses.” What’s the FIRST thought when you hear that?

    Well, “Hey, I’m gonna be ON THE SHOW! This is gonna be [Flip This House in MyTown USA].”

    They do NOT tell you in the ads that they are NOT WORKING WITH / FOR “FLIP THIS HOUSE.” THUS, TOTAL MARKETING SCAM, because they imply the EXACT OPPOSITE – When you hear the ads, it’s like, “Wow! I could become part of the ‘Flip This House’ crew in my area;” and that is totally the OPPOSITE of the truth – if anything, you would be COMPETING WITH ‘FLIP THIS HOUSE.’ I am hereby reporting them to FTC and BBB – please join me, as that is the ONLY WAY TO PUT A DENT IN THE SCAM. You can WHINE ON HERE ALL YOU WANT, but that does NO GOOD! Fill out BBB, FTC complaint forms (they’re on-line – it’s very easy) – and let those entities know if you were scammed, and if the company misled you! Also, it doesn’t hurt to notify the Attorney General of your state as well.

    This is like the “Sure Money Auction” scams that used to go around the DC area – with “Tan Man and his wife” – showing them getting off a lear jet – claiming it was THEIR lear jet… blah blah. And YES, you really CAN make money on real estate; AND on auctions, but, as a licensed real estate agent myself, and as one who tried auctions, you HAVE TO *LIVE* IT! You have to go to auctions EVERY WEEK – multiple auctions – and most of them, you will leave empty-handed. Same with real estate – I took the 8 week course for my state, passed the exam and became licensed – you don’t “have” to do that, but the info you get is INVALUABLE! Then you can let your license expire or retire it, and you still have that knowledge – and my state school was very reasonable. Before you let it expire, work as a beginning broker for awhile and you will then get the feel for everything that is needed.

    So, if they were honest up-front, I might check it out but, since they LIED at the start, virtually “claiming to be part of Flip This House,” and making the listener believe THEY (US) WOULD BECOME PART OF THE SHOW – it is FALSE / MISLEADING MARKETING / ADVERTISING! Highly unscrupulous and unethical!


    Delilah says:
    October 29th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Case W must work for them because they sure are defending it a lot.


    CaseW says:
    May 31st, 2013 at 1:54 am

    they never once said you could or would be on the show. They even say We are from flip this house. And if you knew what you were talking about you would know the show ended years ago. And that they even say,we will teach you how to become better in your area. The fact that you believe that is on you.


    South Texan says:
    January 18th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    I just made it through the 2 hour sales pitch, tough on the heart strings with the presenter “Charles” and it was about what I expected. Seeing the posts that the levels go further and to 25K makes me leery…. sounds like its racket


    Tom says:
    January 6th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    You only went because you thought u were gonna be on a tv show?? How stupid r u??

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    Clint says:

    December 15th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    I just came back from their ‘free’ seminar here in Topeka, KS and have to say that even being free, it was still to costly. From the presenter, Danny (a real full-of-himself jacka$$) beating his chest as to how great he is, to the total lack of useful information, this seminar’s waste of time can only be eclipsed by the 3-day $197 version!

    I left there thinking this is only the tip of the upsell iceberg and after doing some online research, I am correct. I would hope you could find better things to do with 2 hours than sitting through this painful exercise in patience.

    Sadly, I can never get those 2 hours back! Thanks Danny for nothing. Oh and by the way, I am smiling now as I write this.


    Jordy says:
    March 3rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm


    Thanks for your humor and response. I really appreciate your insights and comments they are refreshing…and most likely accurate!..Back to the future would be nice….

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    Anita says:

    December 6th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    My colleague and I spent $30,000 signing up for Fortune Builders. I’m not sure disappointed describes what we are feeling. He is just plain angry. He wanted a refund immediately. I, on the other hand, thought we should just give it a chance – work the “program” to see if what they did worked.

    Well – it didn’t. I would repeatedly ask questions that they would tell me had to be answered by my attorney. The weekly classes were full of “rah rah” and very little, if any, substance. The “how to” of flipping and the forms were so basic that anyone who has ever flipped should already have them in their arsenal. My colleague went to the live seminar to see if we were actually missing something and they tried to sell him the EXACT SAME THING for $5,000!

    Now, I’m just plain indignant.

    And, just in case you think you should join for the financing or the magic “list, don’t. I can get better financing through my credit card company at 20%. Not to mention their financing requires an inordinate amount of money down – even for hard lending companies.

    I could go on and on . . .

    Before we signed up, we made good money flipping. After we signed up and used their techniques – absolute disaster.

    We’re no longer doing what they suggest. And I wish I could get my money back. That $30,000 could have gone to another flip and actually MADE US money!

    Run . . . run fast.


    Anita says:
    August 20th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Anita number 3 here chiming in. Yea I totally agree with the origional Anita’s post…this course is horrible and they will SCAM you out of your money!! All they do during the courses is pitch you to buy their useless products. And when I say useless i’m being generous.


    Anita says:
    March 8th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    I can be Anita too. I don’t think Anita above is the same person that reposted.


    Dave says:
    February 9th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    OH OH, looks like the legal aspect of Anita’s original rant has gotten to her.

    Did Pat Precourt threaten you with a deflamation and slander lawsuit?? that the reason your post now clarifies a few things..

    Anita, you were ripped off and that is the bottom line..


    Anita says:
    January 22nd, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    After writing the above post, Pat Precourt called me to discuss what had happened. Pat listened closely to my complaints and offered a viable solution to the problems.

    I am very pleased that Pat showed genuine concern, conducted the interview with the utmost integrity and contacted me several times until the issue was resolved.

    In all fairness, although the program did not work for me (which apparently occasionally happens), it does go way beyond just coaching. There are hundreds of people who HAVE built very successful businesses utilizing this program.

    Also, I would like to correct an inaccuracy in my original post. After speaking with Pat, the program my colleague was offered at the seminar was not the exact same thing as what I originally invested in. That part of my post was not correct and I regret the error.

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    newmastery says:

    November 17th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    I attended the three day seminar for 197.00 and did find that class useful. I thought it was worth the money. I did however purchase the mastery program and at this point I am disappointed and feel like certain issues were misrepresented. I went out on a limb to purchase it because of certain things they offered. I have been a mastery student for about 1 month. I hope my opinion changes. I have since met many people in the area that are flipping houses, wholesaling, etc and I do not think this program is worth the money. I would expect to pay something for it but not as much. I was sold, lock stock and barrel! Very excited! Only to find out that things we were told in the 3 day seminar were contradicted later. Lots of things I wont go into but all I can say is, yes they offer help, can you get the help they offer other places for free? YES, I would NOT recommend paying the cost of this course unless you have it to burn and then I am still not sure I would recommend it. Will you learn something? Yes. Is it worth the investment? I dont think so. If you are thinking of doing this, join a REIA investing group in your area and you will learn just as much! Wish I had my 25K back.


    Mary says:
    January 20th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    In the midst of teh three day seminar and need to make a decision on taking the next step. So much confusion on if it is worth it or not. Concerned that there will be additional pitches for money. Any advice?

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    Sioux Falls says:

    November 12th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    I just attended the 3 day seminar and can think of many worse ways that I’ve spent $200, and not had it last 3 entire days! Plus, you can bring a guest (which I did) and we split the cost. So, for $100, I more than got my money’s worth! I learned a lot. But, I had an open mind. I didn’t expect to not hear a sales pitch. I would have been a tad bit insane to think I wouldn’t have. Who doesn’t want to promote their business? To that…the Mastery program has 3 levels. All of which are not $25,000. The most expensive one is, and rightfully so. Who can create all of the letters, legal documents, tracking avenues, lists to follow, coaching, training for 6 months (how many jobs train you for 6 months before they throw you into the fire?) properties at your disposal that you didn’t have to go searching for yourself, and the list goes on. The last time I checked, if I tried to do all of that myself, being new to the game, it would certainly cost me a lot of TIME and money to put all of those things in place myself. Also, they have been doing this, successfully, for years and had the time and money to tweak these documents and systems that they have put in place. That is certainly valuable to me, in my opinion. Let them make the mistakes so I don’t. Also, if anyone invests any money in going to any of their programs/seminars….you can write it off on your taxes as an education expense! So, that helps. Another point…People spend anywhere from $15,000 – $25,000 on vehicles all of the time without batting an eyelash. Yes, they serve a purpose, but the everyday user doesn’t get to write that off. Yet, they pey it. Why? Because they want to get where they want to be FASTER and in a more convenient way than maybe walking or taking public transportation. Do they have to spend the money? No, they choose to. Same principle here. Peole can learn from the school of hard knocks, and spend more time and have to search out several different avenues to gain good contacts and processes, or do it the quick way and spend the money upfront to get it done FAST and have all of your references served to you on a platter. This certainly sounds more like a strategy to me versus a scam!

  • Toronto Canada Resident says:

    October 31st, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    I”m about to attend the 3 day summit, I will leave feedback once this is completed.

  • Chris says:

    October 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Hey Anna-Marie! ( :I am so behind on getitng back to you on your question about Reformation Day costume ideas we have had lots of company over the last few weeks. I know it is too late this year but I thought I would recommend some good books that you could be on the lookout for to use next year. The first was a bit pricey but well worth it: A Night of Reformation’ by Pam Forster. She shares some very simple ideas for costumes and the book is loaded with great ideas for celebrating and studying the Reformation in depth. The other book that I really liked for some cute period craft, food and costume idea to make is called The Days of Knights and Damsels’ by Laurie Carlson (in fact she has a lot of great historical activity books). I found this one at our library and used many ideas from it.I also wanted to thank you again for another great book recommendation Alternatives to Worksheets’ is awesome! I have been inspired to bring so much of these ideas into our school and my kids can’t quit looking through it as well! They were so excited with the ideas that they have started many projects from it all on their own accord! ( : Just wanted to say thanks again for another great book recommendation.Warmly,Mandi

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    Lani (Canada) says:

    October 22nd, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    I just attended the seminar that cost the $200. It was totally worth it. Naturally it was not THE course and they didn’t fully educate you in real estate, but what does anyone expect! For that $200, they did give us information, ideas and were available to pick their brains a bit. And yes to take their courses, it is a fair amount of money. But you are paying for their expertise, hard work, research, systems, etc. Any good business person would not expect someone to give that to you for free, nor would they give it for free. Although with my current business, I physically do not have the time to do it right now. I will definitely keep it in mind for when my circumstances change.

    By the way, I read some really ridiculous things in some of the reviews. After being in business and dealing with customers, I would just advise you to have your opinions about people who would complain about them not being served coffee, thinking that they should be given a product for free, etc. Also keep in mind that the “buy now” is not a new concept. Resorts, hotels, car dealerships, and many more have some kind of a “if you purchase now or online or something”, you can receive a discounted price. This should definitely not be a surprise. Even the well known department store, Sears, has different prices in their catalogues if you purchase before a certain date.

    So in conclusion, I did not feel pressured in any way. They simply offered me a course that I would rightly pay for and I could accept or decline. When I said it wasn’t the right time for me, they shook my hand and wished me well. And I left there with much respect for Jon and that team and for Fortune Builders and happy that there are still people out there trying to be positive. Thank You.


    Luzi M. (Palm Springs says:
    June 11th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Hi Lani,

    Just want to tell you I felt the same after the 3 day seminar.


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    Fatima says:

    October 20th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    After being led to believe that I would receive helpful information regarding flipping houses I purchased this three day seminar for 200 of my hard earned dollars. BIG MISTAKE! Day one of the “seminar”, we learned what is pretty much already known in real estate, the basics. Constant reminders of vacations taken, millions made,and great lifestyles tempted me to stay for another day even though I was already annoyed by the bragging. However, on day two, not only did we not receive any new information, most of the day was spent advertising a website and resources that only a select “few” mastery students would have access to. I quickly began to feel my intelligence being insulted as the speaker, “Matt” repeated himself over and over again using different words. I am an adult and I do NOT need lecturing and life coaching!!!

    After the lunch break I thought maybe he would resume giving us insider tips on how to go about starting in this business, only to be disappointed once again. How dare these “millionaires” claim to care about uplifting the community by asking people who are clearly at their wits end financially, to spend the equivalent of some people’s yearly salary on a mentorship that promises nothing? I may have made poor financial decisions in my past, but I am far from stupid. After finding out that their intentions were far from helpful to anybody in that room, I decided not to return after the afternoon break. Perhaps the most insulting part was the threats from “Matt” that any negativity or words of discouragement would be thrown out of the “seminar”. I thought to myself, “How are facts negative?” and “How can he throw me out of something that I paid for?”. One of his “advisors” said that I should open up several credit cards to invest in this madness!!!!!

    Perhaps I had my stupid shirt on that day. I was thoroughly annoyed and insulted with the majority of these people’s antics. Only the weak minded would allow these people to believe that they are out for their best interests. I know that I am capable of achieving success without the “help” of these greedy misinformants. DO NOT BUY THIS!!!!Learn it on your own. Learn from my mistakes. I hope someone from FB reads this and develops a conscious….


    Robert says:
    February 25th, 2013 at 2:09 am

    I just completed the three day course in Tucson AZ and I COMPLETELY AGREE with Fatima. I understand that they want to “upsell” their other training products but the ratio of content presentation to sales pitch was so low, that the three days were a waste of my time. .


    john says:
    December 4th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    The best deals are NOT on mls and that is a huge part of what you learn from fortune builders. How to find the private sales where people come to you. Also included is how to acquire private low interest rate funding to buy and rehab real estate. A realator is an important part of your team and they train you to make sure you have all the right people on your team. Also, if all you do is look local you are missing a lot of opportunities.


    real estate agent says:
    October 30th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    YOU ARE SMARTER THAN most…go take a real estate licensing class and get your license…you will learn all the ins and outs including the ‘formulas’ to make the right decisions for a purchase to flip! The BEST PROPERTIES ARE LISTED ON THE MULTIPLE LISTING SERVICE..All real estate is LOCAL….
    Good for you that you you were annoyed by the flash of the presenters!

  • Bilis says:

    October 16th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    I have signed up for the 1 day course. I am sure it will be a waste of 2 hours, but we will see. If I feel it is worth it I will get back to you. I currently own 7 houses with 4 being paid-off, and I hae done it all myself (on a teacher salary). I am more curious way someone would offer “secrets” his competion. (I guess it is still easier to hype-up people and take there money than it is to work for it). I wonder how the people who paid money are doing 1 year later??


    Anita says:
    March 15th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    Dear Teacher,

    I’m relieved to see that you are flipping houses and not teaching anymore. I would hate to think my kids were being taught by you. You can’t even spell or use proper grammar. There are so many grammatical and spelling errors in one paragraph that I could barely understand what you were trying to communicate.


    Jeff says:
    December 19th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    And, Becca, seeing “someone” like you use “SOME ONE” instead of the correct “someone,” I doubt you are a teacher; unless, maybe you teach “shop class.” Don’t call “someone” out on bad grammar, when yours is just as atrocious!


    dan says:
    November 27th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Math teacher… hey Bilis, have you made any money?


    Becca says:
    October 19th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    I have to ask, you are a teacher, and your grammar is THAT bad? I am a teacher as well, and seeing some one use ‘there’ when they should use ‘their,’ makes me cringe, especially when it is coming from a teacher.

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    Scooter McGee says:

    October 15th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    I have a ninja-like rebuttal for motivational speaker – Ry-Guy, Ryan Burk
    Relationship: *Consumer Comment
    I take umbrage against the claims that there is nothing to be gained in the $197 3-day seminar for the “flip houses” Fortune Builder’s weekend. A solid 25% of my weekend was about flipping houses. That is HONESTLY 25% of down to the bone information on what a real estate investor is and is not (I learned that they should not be conflated as speculators – a thought that had not occurred to me). There was some amount of information on how to be one. So to suggest it was ALL a sale to sell the honest to goodness position as a student of the successful Fortune Builders system is disingenuous. And you are just one of the negative people who were warned early in the program that one of their seminar mates would inform the administration of the seminar and have them REMOVED. So, pay your $197, sit down, follow orders and if your financial situation is compatible, pay your at least $14,995 to have any chance of competing with the overwhelmingly organised organization.

    You see, to suggest that you could ever, EVER compete with this system is LUDICROUS and, in short, impossible. So stop your God-Danged negativity and get off of your back-side and live your dreams! Live them now or you suck! There are three types of people: those who do nothing, those motivated to change their lives and pay $197 and take notes at the speed of light before the slide changes, and those who do all of that and have immediate access to multiples of thousands of dollars or other financial resources/contacts. The message here is => the former are “losers” and the last, “winners”. Thank god I attended because life has never conveyed this message previously. If there is any doubt as to the complete veracity of my rebuttal, look up the word: facetious.

    Seriously though, it is a brilliant program in its conception. It is masterfully deployed to the masses in a bullet resistant woolly Kevlar business suit. I fail to see its morality as anything more than any other investment, as they pointed out themselves, “franchise like”. On the contrary it is marketed as a helpful solution to that which ails you. It is not. It is, very probably, a good wolfie investment in, well, a woolly Kevlar sheep suit. Thanks Ryan for the good info. but seriously I wish you would go all the way with the Karma narrative and just teach house flipping all weekend. Reduce the days to two, for example. Positive affirmations and motivations are fine. I have Tony Robbins CD’s that I have been using as Frisbee s for 15 years. And for God’s sake, kill the goofy videos. They are tooooooo “rich and cheesey”, not NINJA and a DEAD GIVEAWAY.


    real estate agent says:
    October 30th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Anyone taking this class and truly wanting to learn, should find a good real estate agent and work with that agent. Right now, little inventory, all the best on listed on the MLS…we are the PROS!!!
    If you knocked on my door, I would think you were offering me a SCAM. At least an agent/broker is licensed in the state and USES the state forms for purchase and agreement APPROVED by the attorneys of that state! The forms in this program may not protect you!

    Work with an agent! This is worth it!

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    Paul Lipscomb says:

    October 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am


    I just attended the event you held in Springfield, Mo., Sept 28-30, 2012. It was absolutely fantastic! You may remember the infamous dance off. Yes, I got new pants. Ha! Thanks for the $100! It was worth getting out of my “comfort zone”.

    After reading a lot of the reviews here, I find it unfortunate that some leave negative reviews when they either didn’t stay for the whole event, or left because of a preconceived notion. I recall quite clearly that you stated on the first day that this was not a get rich quick plan – and later in the day, even offered to refund the $200 to anyone that felt that this was not for them. That scored big in my book. Yes, there was a pitch for the Mastery program but that should be expected by anyone with a lick of sense. The fact of the matter is that there was a bunch of very useful information though out the 3 days. I took so many notes I had to get another notebook for the last day.

    During the event, I met Realtors, contractors, existing flippers, wholesalers and rehabbers as well as several newbies. In my experience, most all feedback I heard was very positive! On Saturday night after the event, I even went with some other attendees that I met who were rehabbing a house together and they kindly took me through and told me about their experiences. One had done 30 wholesales this past year and the other was on their 8th rehab this year. They were quite complimentary about your program and said it was by far the best they had attended.

    I thank you, and the rest of your colleagues, especially Susan and Christy. As I explained to both of them, I am currently living in both Miami, Florida where my wife is based as a international flight attendant, as well as in Springfield. I am currently remodelling the house my house there to either put on the market or to use as a lease for passive income. Either way, I plan to use it as a start for my real estate business. It was by chance that I was in Springfield for the free session, and the 3 day event happened to be when I was going to be back in town so I decided to come. Unfortunately, my wife was out of the country and I was not able to get in touch with her about investing in Mastery after I was interviewed. I so wish she could have attended the event with me. With that in mind, I would like to say how much I respect the integrity of Fortune Builders for not pushing me to join the Mastery program without being able to consult with her first – even though I could have done it financially at the time.

    I am very interested and think the Mastery program is not only worth the money, but the very best way to go. The coaching, workshops, programs and operating systems provided would make me much more comfortable as I pursue this adventure. When I am able to sit down in person with her, I am going to discuss the situation and if she agrees and you will have me I would love to join Mastery and be part of the family.

    Thanks again!

    Best regards,
    Paul Lipscomb


    Jeff says:
    December 19th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Yes, Paul is a “paid shill,” aka “ringer.” He has been part of their team for 3 years now.


    Shawn says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Paul are you a part of their team?

  • Annoyed as Hell says:

    September 25th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    SCAM! Don’t do it unless you want spam texts and e-mails

  • Jon Giough says:

    September 14th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Bandit signs that talk about we pay cash for homes are illegal in Riverside California, yet fortune builders uses these bandit signs as an example of how to generate lots of leads to use with their fortune builder system. A BIG PROBLEM – I would get fined by Riverside County for posting thee signs. Keep your presentation information accurate and up front please Than!

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    Greg says:

    September 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I attended the Cleveland summit this weekend. I was amazed at the program and truly believe it is well worth the price. I have been involved in real estate in some aspect for over 35 years from just following the market to homebuilding and land development. I unfortunately have been out of work for over three years in this lousy economy and could not risk what I had left in savings to purchase the program. Believe me it was a hard decision to pass on this opportunity, probably one of the hardest decisions I ever had to make.
    Don’t crucify a business for being successful. No one can go out there and create the program they offer by themselves for less money.
    Once I can afford to do their program I am in! The only disappointment I had with the program was it is a hard decision to make in a short time regarding the money especially in this economy. I wish they had a financing package available to purchase the course because I would have gladly considered that and pay them with my profits with interest. I just hope that things change sooner than later so I can join the bandwagon and make a quantum leap with my life.


    Donna says:
    March 5th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Greg, I too believe this program is incredible. I also agree that they need to offer some type of financing package. Not that many people can really just dish out $25K with no guarantee to gain it back in profits. It would be easier to swallow if there was financing available. I thought the 3 day seminar was very inspiring and made you take a look at your own life.


    Jeff says:
    December 19th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    If the business WAS ‘legit,’ they WOULD offer a fully-financed package, where you pay the cost through your profits – using some of “their” people as mentors. That’s what other legit programs do. But they just want to sell you some glossy marketing materials and an 800 number and be done with the ‘hands-on.'

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    ima moofin says:

    July 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    A total misrepresentation of the facts. They offer a free seminar which leads to a three day “educational seminar” for $200 where they push the Mastery program which costs, well I didnt hang around long enough to find out but they said only the profit from one deal which throughout the seminar they were showing profits of $30,000 so God only knows, but all I wanted was someone to do what they said and not continually upsell me to the next program.

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    Helen54 says:

    July 1st, 2012 at 8:25 pm is a scam, I found that they own lots of different sites…

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    Terrell Bridges says:

    May 15th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Hello I read all the comments on here and see a wide range of feelings about this group. Some negative and some positive and like all I would like to share in the matter. I am not associated by no means to the company so like others on here I am what you called the consumer who paid $200 to see this three seminar.

    I recently attended the seminar here in Pittsburgh and I am the type that is brutally honest almost to a fault, so with that in mind I am going to tell it like it is. First you have to say to yourself if you are paying to go see something you know at some point they are going to sell you something if not you are crazy. The seminar is design to be informational and to someone who is clueless to real estate investing it gives tremendous starting point to a individual.

    It also gave out information on a system, how to implement the system and most important of all where they got it from that tiny little book called The E Myth. Remember it was at the very beginning,the system applies to any business not just real estate. So with that alone you can boost your profits in any field of business alone. If that is not worth its weight in gold than something is wrong with your mind but I will get to that later.

    The fortune builders group also gives you a marketing system that again you can apply to something else if you choose to. The fact they give you a map in marketing real estate is a real gym. Its up to us to see if it works. As far as the real estate knowledge they give you surface information. I have invested before but the old way and unfortunately lost everything, this group is showing you the techniques that work today and some of the members lost the old way as well. The have gotten it all back with this system so that says something.

    I am in the same boat as many with don’t simply have the money right now. It by no means that this is not worth it and give it. The main message that alot have forgotten was to change your mind. Think about this, Ryan said at the seminar I attended that is you can not stroke a check for $20,000 then you and I have a problem, like all of us should do is take responsibility for that (might ring a bell, stop pointing out and point in)really look at the situation there is a way out and its up to all of us to dig ourselves out.

    This is what really gets me people are disgruntled about the price of the program, do you go into a restaurant and tell them their menu is to high? Or in a major sporting event and the price of the ticket price is absurd? Or been told by a consumer in your field of business you need to lower your price? You got it exactly, if you would not do it to yourselves how can you expect them to? I give them credit they put a extreme worth and value on their product and offer it for sale. Its up to the individual to make a choice like we all have. They took alot of time and spent alot of money researching and simplifying the process. Do you all realize how much went into all of this? So how can we question the price this company set. Simplification is what you are paying for, and anyone that has invested before know that time is what takes up the most energy. I mean really look in the mirror Stevie Wonder this.

    The price of lending is the price of lending, to many people spend countless hours counting other people money. So what they are making money loaning it to you, did you not hear what they told you? Its not yours just as long as you have OPM you can still make a fortune. If you took out a 100k loan with them and they made 14k in profit but you made 35k who cares, they showed you how to not only do one deal but multiples at a time with the same system. So you can do it ten times plus, I know if I made 350K in one month but losing 140k is too much. LMAO get real we all would love to be making that kind of money and they are showing how by guiding you.Also take a look how the owner of the company puts himself on the front line and take on critics live on his personal cell phone. Do you see the owner of Verizon,GM, Harley and etc. No cause most are to busy sending someone else to deal with that so if thats not integrity than I am a idiot.

    Last but not least if anyone checked them out thoroughly, oh I’m sorry I’m going to give this away for free even though it took me 15 minutes to see so I could actually sell this information to you. They offer a opportunity to get the class for free, yes free its called a internship. Yes they offer it your time in exchange for there access and knowledge for 6 months. If you live in california or remotely close you and did not know that then, well take a look at yourself and you tell me. I’m here in pittsburgh and if that offer was here it would be a done deal and on my way to taking off to millionare status. You think I drank cool aid on this? You are sorely mistaken I like a few have change their way of thinking and is looking at something a different way!

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    Tilly says:

    April 18th, 2012 at 12:03 am


    Than will never stop sending you text spam. shameless !!

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    Julius Haynes says:

    April 15th, 2012 at 7:27 am

    I am entering day three of the workshop in St. Louis today. Myself and a partner split the 200 dollar cost for the weekend and i have to say, my only real disappointment is the cost to join mastery. Jeremey Black is an excellent speaker and i took a lot of notes. I am almost 50 and have found myself starting over. I have a daughter in college, a son in Afghanistan and twins about to start middle school. I am very proud of my family and they are the reasons that failure is not an option for me. Unfortunately I just dont have the money. I dont have relatives to borrow from, credit cards or equity in my home (thanks to the downturn) but I refuse to let any of that stop me from succeeding, not even the fact that I cant afford this program. My faith and determination will see me through. Where is the value in criticizing these guys for what they have worked hard to build? If the program is for you, get in and if it’s not, dont. If you can do it better by yourself, go ahead. God bless you Jeremey, Than and Paul, someday I will be in a position to be one of your students but until then just stay true to your values and to the One that gave you the ability to have the success you have.


    debraregab7257 says:
    February 4th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    Debra Regan says:
    Feb. 4, 2014

    Julius Haynes, I am also on the same page as you are, I just finished my three day seminar with Jeremy Black (on Feb. 2 2014) and am not able to join the mastery team right at this minute. But Christy gave me some great ideals to get to where I need to be so I can join the mastery team. I had a wonderful time with Jeremy (and the other members of the team that were there.) Jeremy, is very inspiring with his words and I will someday join the team and be a part of investing in my future. I have no ideal why other people can’t see that you are investing in your future with the money not joining to spend money!!

  • One born every minute says:

    April 10th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Chalk me up to being a sucker. I laid out the $200 for the 3 day event happening at the end of the month. Something told me to wait until I had the opportunity to read reviews on the company, but I decided to take a risk after they said the 3 days of “education” typically costs 3 times as much. I suppose my curiosity has cost me $200. I knew there would be an up-sale at the 3 day seminar, there usually is and I was not naive enough to think that $200 would teach me enough to close a deal, but not for $20K-$70K as some have stated here. Didn’t find that tid-bit of info on their web site either. Since you had to send and email for additional info on the mastery coaching I knew it would be costly, but this is just ridiculously expensive in my opinion. If I lay out that kind of cash there had better be more than “coaching” phone calls involved. Anyway, good luck to you all and congrats to those of you who have stated you are successful with the FB program, if that is indeed true.

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    Dave says:

    April 6th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I have been a Mastery coaching student for three years now and can say without a doubt it is a superior program to anything out there that any other educator offers. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the value of different real estate educational programs and how you get educated so all I can speak from is my personal experience.

    When I first started investing in real estate it was tough. I had some good deals and had some bad ones and was working way too much. At that point all I was doing was reading books and going to seminars, but frankly wasn’t having a lot of success. I joined another persons coaching program and it was good, but I saw only marginal improvements.

    I then heard Than speak at a seminar in LA and realized what I was lacking. I understood how to invest in real estate, but I didn’t understand how to run it like a business built on systems. What he said really hit home because books don’t teach you how to build systems they teach you just the mechanics of how deals work.

    Shortly thereafter I joined the Mastery program and yes I too was hesitant as it is a large investment. However, taking a loss on a property because of a lack of knowledge on how to run a business can be much costlier.

    Well, I have been more than thrilled with my results since joining. In fact, my business looks very different now and is way more profitable. I am doing three times the volume I used to do and actually working less. I have a staff now that runs part of the business for me. It will take work believe me so you have to be realistic.

    The biggest difference is the coaching I got from Than, Pat, Paul, and all the coaches on how to actually implement their systems into my own business. I used to waste a lot of time and now I am much more strategic with my time because I think very differently. Before I was a mess (ha, ha) jumping from idea to idea and niche to niche and through the coaching calls I have changed everything. There have been deals they have told me to walk away or renegotiate which I know in the past I would have done and taken a beating on.

    Probably the biggest value though is the community of other mastery students. I have learned a ton from just hanging around and there are mastery students who been involved for years who make me look like a small fish. The last rehabbing event I was seriously impressed with how many people were doing deals. When I go to my local reia or other peoples seminars nobody is doing anything or they are a newbie.

    In fact, Matt Connolly, who posted below I have met multiple times at events and is exactly the caliber of investor I am speaking about who is also in Mastery.

    I just wanted to share my personal experience for what it’s worth. It is not an easy business by any means, but their program has changed my business so I felt compelled to share.


    lim says:
    August 8th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    @ tim because they are paid bloggers for fortune builders. They do nothing but blog good reviews for them, and ridicule the ones that didn’t fall for their scam.


    tim says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    how much did it cost you? how come no one who did the mastery would tell the cost?

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    Angry customer says:

    April 4th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    I gave the rating of one star because zero is not available! To anyone who has the knowledge on how to get a refund PLEASE HELP ME. At the beginning, when they’re still trying to get your money, they were nice and easy to get in touch with. After that everything goes down the drain! Customer service support and or unavailable and finally when you had the chance to speak to a customer service rep they will tell you that that they will email the person in charge and will return your phone call. And naturally, they never returned any of my phone call. Also, if you happen to speak to a JOHN KING, hang up! HE IS RUDE! I am a Navy veteran and for JOHN KING to call me a coward and nervous, when he has never seen real life combat was uncalled for. But that’s ok, I wore the uniform to protect his free speech and so that he could insult me over the phone. PLEASE HELP ME GET A REFUND!!!


    LilOkkie says:
    January 28th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Than’s reply speaks volumes for his company. Hats off to Than. I joined the mastery program yesterday and felt good when doing it, however, after reading the reviews I am more nervous than ever but will move forward. I would love to hear from others that have joined and are having success. I am green to the business and am both excited and nervous.


    Than Merrill says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    This is Than Merrill, one of the owners, and I will be the first to take blame and fix a problem if a customer has an issue. The customer above did call in for a return the day after purchasing and the return was processed, today, a few days after he called in. I have fixed the issue as our customer service rep did not close out the ticket.

    More importantly after speaking with the customer I pulled and listened to the customer service call as he felt John had been rude. I personally have family members who have served in the military so this upset me when I heard it. In all fairness to John I wanted to listen to the call first before addressing him.

    On the call John never used the word “coward.” John did say he felt the customer was being overly nervous about starting a new real estate business.

    However, I absolutely agree that John did not represent what my company and I stand for and was rude. Heck, I was nervous when I got into the real estate business many years ago.

    That being said we have a zero tolerance policy for any rudeness of any kind and as of this morning John has been suspended indefinitely.

    Our customers and students success are very important too me and I will be the first to correct a mistake if one occurs. We have been in business a long time and have very successful coaching students around the country. My contact information is below if anyone has a question, a concern, or an issue.

    My Personal Phone: 858-255-1116
    Personal Email:


    Angry customer says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    WOW!!! I actually spoke to Than Merrill this morning and he was very concerned and polite. He took care of my issue right away.

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    Jeff Hatten says:

    April 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    My wife told me about the Free Workshop in STL. This is the first I’ve heard of Than/FB of coming to the Lou. That is how I ended up on this site.

    I’ve been investing since 1994 I started with Carlton Sheets ( worth the $200 I spent). Then read every book at the library on buying RE No Money Down. Bought, sold, rehabbed 100’s of houses and unfortunately I’ve lost it all after a divorce etc.

    When I’m ready to rebuild my RE empire. Fortune Builders is the way for me.

    Hope to get to see you all in STL.


    real estate agent says:
    October 30th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Get your real estate license and get back in!

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    Nurse Manager looking for FREEDOM says:

    March 31st, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    I have not yet attended, but I am excited. I’m not sure why people are so upset that they are charging a fee for teaching you something. I don’t know about you, but I have 2 bachelors degrees & a masters… I happen to be a very good student and love to learn…so I ended up with a BA in psychology, a BSN & MSN (Nursing). I had to pay thousands of dollars to obtain these degrees, and while I make a nice salary, one year of work is certainly not enough to pay back the tuition I have paid over the years, and BTW, still owe & paying on every month. So if they charge $30k for “tuition” that will yield profit of much more than that in a short amount of time, then it seems appropriate; certainly doesn’t sound like a scam…it sounds like every university across this country; only maybe this one would actually help you earn enough money to pay all of them back and then some!!! So, after I go, I’ll submit my review…Looking forward to it!


    real estate agent says:
    October 30th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    I can show you how to buy with that $30K and make a profit…I am a licensed agent…you can be too!

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    Tony says:

    March 31st, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    I went to the three day summit in Columbus, Ohio on March 23-25. Jeremy Black was the speaker. First off, let me say, Jeremy did a great job. He would make a good speaker on almost any topic. I guess that is why he is one of the pitch men. As far as the summit, I have mixed feelings. I felt I got $200.00 worth of info. But I was disappointed about a number of things. 1) No, Coffee, Are you serious? You can’t afford to have coffee at a three day summit that last 9 hours a day. 2) The price was a shocker. From what was told by Momma Burk about the system, I did NOT feel it was worth the asking price. 3) The technique of buy now, or the price is higher is always a signal for me not to buy. 4) Momma Burk stated that she did not have access to the website because she was not a student. How can you sell something like this if you don’t use it yourself? ( I know that her son is a student, but if you are going to want someone to invest 20k-70k, you should use and know the “system” inside and out.) 5) I did not think the features of the system was explained well. I still don’t know what the passive club would get you. I wanted to view the website, to see the different programs and how they work. Especially the rehab cost software. 6) Unless a young person was investing with an older person, like a family member, I saw very few that were able to invest. I saw a lot of rejected young people with sad faces. I feel if FB was really interested in helping and giving back, they would help more people afford the system. 7) I kept hearing employees of FB say, “you need to have skin in the game”. That is why it cost so much to get the privilege to opt in. Come on, we all have skin in the game. Everyone’s future is on the line. People come to these events to get a better life, a more secure retirement and to be able to help family and others they know. HOW MUCH MORE SKIN IN THE GAME DO YOU NEED?. 8) I would have laid down the $25k in a heart beat, if they would have committed to financing at least two deals that they review for their students. If their systems works so well, why aren’t they willing to give that guarantee.
    Now, let me state that I CAN NOT say the system is a rip off, I have never been a part of it. But, the tactics of the summit make me wonder.


    real estate agent says:
    October 30th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Get a real estate license!


    Kim says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    I have to agree with you, Tony. Still have one more day to go in my seminar. I do not agree with their tactics, felt very disappointed. The workshop should have been called “Looking for Mastery Students” because they have spent too much time trying to get people to sign up. I knew it was going to be high when they would not say the cost up front. But when the price popped on the scene, it blew me away. In these times with the economy the way that it is, it took a lot of nerve to come in here and ask people for that type of money. I am sure they will offer other products that are less costly tomorrow. I really thought it was a full seminar about real estate investing not recruiting people to pay 25k for their program. Not saying it is not a worthy program because honestly if I had it like that, I would definitely get it, especially for the 2 day hands on with one of them. But with the way things are financially, its a hard pill to swallow.

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    Dan says:

    March 28th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    I attended the marketing and rehab seminars back in 2009. I would say it was 50% info and 50% sales pitch in order to get you buy more of their seminar products.

    Also keep in mind especially in Real Estate the devil is in the details. FB intentionally omits the details because the course work is not specific to any one region of the country.

    I have gained much more help from my local REI club. They invite me to attend for free, but I would not waste time with another FB course.

    Myself and several other “graduates” have built successful careers in REI, in spite of (not because of) FB and we all agree education is important but best focused working with accountants, attorneys, and other professionals do not rely on pitching educational products like FB to pay their rent.

    Also very annoying I still get TEXT SPAMS from Than .. SHAMELESS !!


    Curious says:
    April 28th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Dan, my hubby and I attended but did not buy the programs etc. Would love to talk with you for some starting pointers in our business if you are willing to chat? Would love to skype with you or something we are focusing on flipping and building our business plan now seeking a good CPA and attorney.

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    Barb Bernard says:

    March 26th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    My husband and I just completed the 3 day weekend in Omaha, NE. After reading the above reviews I had to respond about my experience. To begin with, we feel that we did get our $200 worth on this weekend. Believe me we can easily spend $200 on a weekend just going out to eat, to a show or movie, and not learn a thing. For us it was worth it.

    We did not invest in the mastery program because it did not fit with our goals. There were no promises of slides to be sent later. I took about 50 pages of notes. I confess that I am a compulsive note taker, but have learned NOT to write down things that don’t apply to me. Obviously there was a lot that did! We are very near retirement and are not involved in buying or selling real estate. We have one 4 unit apartment building that we have owned for 5 years. We learned a ton about how to better utilize our existing retirement savings. We found out a lot of things we have done wrong and even some we got right. The goal setting exercise was helpful in clarifying what we want and how to get it.

    I wasn’t crazy about the revival/AA style of some things either. I just chalked (not caulk) it up to presentation style and got over it.

    We went into this expecting an upsale so it wasn’t any surprise to us. We focused instead on what we could get from what we heard at the weekend.

    I don’t understand why it is a problem to learn from Jonathan’s personal story. Everyone in the room probably had one. We all know people who have experienced tragedy. What helped me was hearing how he came through it and found a way to apply it to my life. I found it sincere and honest and encouraging. If you didn’t then fine, but give the guy credit for not giving in to a situation that a lot of people don’t and won’t overcome.

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    Bob McIntosh says:

    March 21st, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    I want to be totally up front, as of this posting I am NOT a Fortune Builders employee, however I am a mastery student since 2010. Here has been my experience.

    I am the biggest critic of all. Prior to signing up for mastery at an event I asked every mastery student there what they thought of the program and how they have been doing. At the time the response was overwhelmingly positive. I then spent several hours googling everything I could find out about Fortune Builders, and it has been mostly positive (if it were all positive I would be more worried). After all that my dad and I decided to go for it. We plunked down a very hefty amount of money, there was no question about that. However what we have learned and the ability to surround ourselves with these types of people would have been worth that kind of money over and over and over.

    There will be sales at the seminars… if someone told you there wasn’t going to be, then that person lied. However there is also a mind numbing amount of information that will help you. Will it be EVERYTHING… NO! If it was, then they wouldn’t be around for very long… it costs money to put on events and they have to recuperate those costs somehow! So just be prepared for that, but also prepare yourself to take copious notes, and learn everything you can.

    Now… if you are already actively investing in real estate, have been doing flips, or are a real estate expert already, then Mastery is not likely for you. Can it still take your business to the next level? Absolutely, you just need to be open to the idea. My dad and myself were total noobs to real estate, we had done one deal and botched it pretty badly, so we knew we needed help and we found it. Our first two deals netted us $40,000 in profit. We have done 2 more rehabs plus several wholesale deals since that time and have netted approximately $50,000 more. So clearly whatever they teach.. .works… if you follow it. Oh yea… that was all while working my full time job!

    Is it a lot of money to outlay for knowledge? Not if you need it
    Will you make more than you spent? Yes! As long as you follow their program and ask lots of questions!


    LilOkkie says:
    January 28th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing your experience as a novice starting the mastery program. I look forward to making my money back that I paid for the course and profits after that.

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    Natomas says:

    March 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    *Consumer Comment
    Report: Hi,
    Disclaimer: I am not in any way connected to Fortune Builders, or Ct Homes or any of their employee or students. In fact, I am not even in real estate business. I am actually, an executive in biotechnology industry and my only connection to this was my spouse wanting to start her own real estate business and my support to her when attending Fortune Builders seminars.

    I may sympathize with above rip-off report but i don’t think it paints balanced picture on FB seminar.
    My spouse and I just completed 3 days seminar March 16-18 in Sacramento, CA; my spouse was interviewed and selected to enter mastery program but we did elect not to pursue at this time. Probably, due to not enough information, time or just it was all new to us and we just wanted to let it sleep before we make an informed decision. Perhaps, my spouse would decide to pursue Mastery program later on.
    Here are some of my comments:
    1. 200$ spent was worth every cents – in fact more than, what we have learned during these 3 days could potentially be a money savers for us, for example: just a few tips given at seminar on retirement could be quite beneficial etc. There were many, many other quite useful tips it is my opinion.
    2. Although tiring (seating 8 hours, 3 days in a row), coffee free (talk about cost management) and small not comfortable chairs, meeting were highly professional, motivational, positive and have also thought about life in General with quite a content and references. Great presentation from Ryan Burk and JD! Good job – Consequently, I might be using some ideas for my Team building, as well.
    3. Tuition fees for mastery students although high at first (15-40K) were not transparent prior to the Seminar. I would highly suggest to Than and his Team to consider being more transparent about prices and curriculum just like any University program would be with of course their own touch. They should not be afraid to this, at all. In fact, if my spouse (we) had more time to evaluate the program prior to the seminar, she might have made her decision during if not prior to the seminar, to consider pursuing mastery program. More importantly, it is my opinion that by being transparent that FB would be able to attract higher quality of students, which should be the goal of any quality educational program, anyways.
    All the best to FB, mastery students and all of the rest of seminar participants.
    1,2,3 Crash it!

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    RDCIP says:

    March 11th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    I attended the event in Columbus, Ohio and was very disappointed after being told on the first day that this was not going to be a sales pitch nor would we be ask to go to the back of the room and give someone our credit card. If only that were true. Fortune Builders are on the cutting edge. The cutting edge of how to give you just enough all the while pitching an obscenely priced training/coaching program(s) ($39,997). This Three day event consisted of approximately 50% content and 50% sales pitch. However the content was provided in such a way to make the attendees feel they would need a coach to successfully pull off one of these deals. If you are selected for the Mastery program and shell out the nearly $40k, when it comes to coaching, you only get 12 months. Wow!

    Most of the staff was wonderful, however every group has that one person, and this one simply ruined the event for myself.

    If you are going to attend one of the 2 hour or 3 day events, just be honest with yourself and understand that it is a sales pitch. Nothing if free no matter how it may appear. Fortune Builders is just another traveling seminary group selling motivated people who have or have access to money big dreams for even bigger prices.


    James says:
    March 22nd, 2012 at 12:50 am

    Very well said because what you said is all true and then some. Most people who go through these programs NEVER get a housing deal, & their mentor/coach just puts them off until their 1 year has expired. DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY at these events.

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    Than Merrill - Owner of FortuneBuilders says:

    March 11th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    This is Than Merrill and I am one of the owners of FortuneBuilders. I take a great deal of pride in both our real estate business and the real estate educational business and the services we provide to investors and our coaching students. I also take any concerns people have very seriously so I feel the need to respond to a few of the anonymous comments below.

    We have thousands of customers and hundreds of coaching students we have helped build very successful real estate businesses over the years.

    I know personally from working directly with our coaching students how many people’s lives we have changed for the better. To get just a small sample of what some of our amazing coaching students are doing read further.

    Below is a link to just some of the weekly case study webinars from coaching students who have completed recent real estate deals. Our coaching students volunteer do do these case studies of their deals. This is why I love coaching because you see people who previously have never done a deal grow to doing multiple real estate deals a month.

    Take a look at just a few students who are in our coaching program who have done this to see what our coaching has helped them achieve. They are investors from all over the country and all walks of life.

    With a growing business we have challenges just like any other business owner. But I will never hide from any mistake and always try and correct it to the best of my abilities.

    Like any business there are people who do business the right way and people who do it the wrong way. In the real estate education and seminar business there are both. However, for anyone who anonymously posts “scam” or that we are not real I personally invite you to come visit our office in San Diego and see all the real estate deals we have going on right now or anytime in the future.

    I will be happy to personally take you or have someone who works for me in our investment business take you on a tour of our current deals. I do not hide and will put out my personal information below for anyone who has a concern or somewhat skeptical.

    My Personal Phone: 858-255-1116
    Personal Email:

    It is a lot better to speak directly with me than just jump to incomplete conclusions about us. Also, if you have a major problem with anything, as we do deal with a lot of people, you by all means can speak with me personally.

    People who don’t know much about us can be quick to judge and group us with some of the other real estate seminar or educators out there who they may have been turned off by.

    We are real, we are very successful investors in a relatively flat market, and am proud to say what we teach is up to date and will help you be successful in today’s market. We also have hundreds of coaching students who you can also contact and ask them about their business as well.

    Also, in response to a comment about just providing training materials, books, videos and a few hours with a personal coach.

    This isn’t even close to being accurate as to what we offer in our coaching programs. I personally created our coaching curriculum along with a team of eight programmers, an e-learning specialist and multiple real estate experts both in my business and outside of my business.

    We have everything from real estate coaching systems for wholesaling, rehabbing, rent to own, short sales & pre-foreclosure, REO investing, lending, an business building. We also help investors with legal set up, have a full time attorney and CPA on staff that we pay to help give proper advice to students.

    Not to mention the five different multi-day advanced trainings we do many of which I teach personally. We also offer websites, SEO services, and a complete CRM/Database, leads, and proven marketing materials. We also have beginner and advanced coaching calls and webinars we do 2 x 3 times a week. Many students are still using these 5 years after they have launched their business. There is a mastermind group for coaching alumni and we have even provided financing in some cases for students. Our rates are not cheap on financing since it is our money that we loan and very typical of a hard money lender 14%. That’s why we also teach investors how to raise private money that is much cheaper for their rehabs.

    Obviously, I take great pride in what we have built as I consider it my life’s work. Coaching is not an inexpensive e-book, course, or a book. Just like you our time is very valuable. We have invested over a million dollars in building all of these tools, resources, and coaching for real estate investors who are serious.

    Our coaching is definitely not an e-book, or a home study course, this is a “franchise like” business model with programmers, coaches, staff, and a full support staff of very experienced investors.

    Coaching is very time intensive and we are successful at what we do with our coaching students. Our coaching is premium investment and not for everyone by any means. We also have some starter courses, but there is a reason that 98% of our student success stories come from coaching and not just our books or videos.

    I believe in coaching and have had many coaches and mentors in my life throughout the years that have helped me tremendously. It’s just like going to the gym. You can definitely read a book, create your own plan, and go to the gym by yourself.

    Or you can hire an expert trainer/nutritionist who knows what they are doing, with a system and a plan that has proven results, that will definitely get to your goal a heck of a lot faster.

    In business and in real estate it is no different.


    Chuck Carlton says:
    March 20th, 2012 at 8:41 pm


    My wife and I attended FB Real Estate Insiders Summit on
    March 16-18, 2012 in Stockton CA. Although, we did not buy the Mastery program at this time, does not mean we won’t buy it later. I would like to take you up on your offer to visit your office in San Diego sometime this year.


    Chuck & Andrea Carlton

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    Matt Connolly says:

    March 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    After reading the reviews some have written here, I felt like I should share my personal experience in dealing with Fortune Builders. I have been a mastery student since 2008. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion, and so I thought I would share mine.

    It seems that some folks here have had some negative experiences, and while can’t comment on their issues, I will briefly mention my personal experience. I have been a mastery student for 4 years, and have nothing but great things to say about the company. They have always gone above and beyond my expectations. Coaching isn’t for everyone, but I will tell you without the knowledge I learned from Fortune Builders I would not have been able to close nearly 100 deals since starting in 2008.

    I don’t share the # of deals to impress anyone, but just to let you know that I am actively investing and working successfully in the business. Like anything in life, you get out what you put in. I was willing to pay the $$ for quality coaching and bust my butt to try and make it in this biz. 4 years later, I can say without hesitation I wouldn’t have made it without the guidance of coaching from FB.

    I have seen other coaching programs out there and I feel like the Fortune Builders crew is the best. They have such an infectious positive attitude that breeds success in so many students. Their company has grown leaps and bounds since we joined the mastery program. Their network of students never ceases to amaze me. I have actually done multiple deals with other mastery students in my market (Charlotte). I don’t know of any other community of students that is like the one Fortune Builders has built.

    Anyway, that is my personal experience. I find that people are more likely to write about a negative experience than a positive one. So I thought I would take the time to share my experience because I don’t believe the experiences expressed here are a proper representation of FB and the integrity they have. I personally know the impact the FB crew has had on other lifes, but especially the impact it’s made on my own life.

    -Matt Connolly


    MAC says:
    March 2nd, 2014 at 11:05 am

    Hi Matt,

    I am so glad to hear that you are not only nearby but successful. I am a few hours east of you, and I just signed on with the Mastery program. I have done some investing, but still quite green in general.

    It is good to hear that this program is legitimate. After spending the large sum of money for this program, I am a bit concerned that it will be all that they say.

    I met some great people at the 3 day meeting and I am pretty excited to get started. Could I reach out to you via phone to catch up on FB for a few minutes? I would greatly appreciate it!

  • Back Row says:

    March 10th, 2012 at 12:35 am

    I attended my first day here in columbus Ohio and after reading this I am very disappointed to hear the news. I guess this is why I just increased my credit limits on my cards like they ask me too do. Guess Im the dummy! I will go the next two days and try and pull info out I do not all ready know. They obviously know more than this 3 year investor and Im always up to learn more.

    Jerald is a fine speaker and I do enjoy listening to his sermon.


    Next To The Back Row says:
    March 10th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Well, it’s unfortunate, but, I have to add my share to this post. Had I known this was a Carlton Sheets program, I would have never encouraged my team to tag along. I invested in the CS Program many years ago, and was totally disappointed at the lack of “support” offered. It wasn’t until the $69,999.00 Inner Circle Package was presented, that I pulled out my phone and began searching the web for more information.
    Seminar attendees are encouraged to spend OPM … And now, I understand why they keep repeating that mantra over and over. The main speaker has a way of pulling you into this world of dubious real-estate fantasy.
    So, the name FortuneBuilders, is accurate … They are making a fortune! People, if you have $70,000. Or $30,000. To invest …do it for yourself … Not for someone else! After all, they taught me that much! Quite making money for other people!

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    Matt Gordon says:

    March 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Hi, my name is Matt Gordon and I’m the Customer Service Manager at FortuneBuilders. I wanted to take some time to address another comment below as I feel I may have caused the issue by an oversight on my part.

    I take a lot of pride in my job and the level of support we offer at FortuneBuilders and I, personally, am always striving to make it better, since I run the department. We recently switched phone providers and I accidentally forgot to forward one of our phone numbers to our customer service line that we use in some of our marketing. I am human, after all, and make mistakes like we all do, so I thank you for letting me know.

    Once I figured out the problem, I resolved it immediately and you can always get through to reach one of our five customer service representatives. Unlike most customer service departments, we do offer the ability for our customers to leave us a message, which will be returned in 24 hours or less if we are on the phone. Over the weekend, we ask that you give up to 48 hours to return a voicemail. Our phone lines are open from 8 am to 6 pm PST, Monday through Friday and from 9 am to 3 pm PST on Saturdays.

    You can reach us directly at (619) 881-0575 with any questions or concerns or you can send us an email directly to

    We also have a separate coaching support line for our coaching students that is answered by Molly, Pat, Than and the other coaches.

    If you contact us and do not receive a response from one of our customer service representatives, please send me an email personally at

    Thank you for your understanding.

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    Mike Williams says:

    March 9th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    I have been a FortuneBuilders student now for a number of years and been to a lot of their events. I have met Than as well and many of the staff and really believe these guys and their company have the utmost integrity. Everything they teach is up to date and cutting edge. I had the chance to go to the Rehab bootcamp in San Diego and that event was one of their best. We went out and looked at four of their deals and they walked through every aspect of the deal
    so we could learn.

    I am happy to say since going to their events I have bought a few rentals and done a few rehabs so what they teaches definitely works. It isn’t a get rich quick business by any means and it takes hard work, but if your willing to do it you can do very well. I am a testament to that.

    I also have love working with JD Esajian who is one of the coaches at
    FortuneBuilders. He helped me tremendously and can’t speak highly enough
    about him.

    Mike Williams

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    Reply to Jonthan says:

    March 9th, 2012 at 4:48 am

    Jonathan, Isn’t new technology Grand:

    Using your tracing software you were able to find out my unlisted phone number and call me. Isn’t that special, just 3 days ago I sent the “not much help support-desk” an email that told them to take me OFF their email list and not to contact me ever again…since you nor them would, could or were willing to produce the presentation slides that you promised us (and I have asked a few others that attended and they didn’t get all the slides either, what we got was barely nothing) …when you repeatedly told us not to take notes…that you would send us the slides. Under promise and over deliver???

    So since you were able to trace my post and get my unlisted phone number, I’m sure you have my name and phone number and mailing address also, so do one of two things, send me the ALL the slides you promised or the refund of $200. It’s that simple. The only person I will speak to over the phone is Than Merrill and I’d love to have a chat with him…but apparently that’s not going to happen. Not good customer service Than.

    Next time, before you have someone spend $200 bucks, you might tell them how much your program is so they can decide if they want to proceed. I think that was a real rip off…Because IF I had known the cost UP FRONT for the program was $20,000-70,000, 14% to loan THEIR “students” buy money…which you would think since they were already being paid $20,000-70,000K for coaching, they wouldn’t gouge their students for the use of their money, I WOULD NOT HAVE SPENT THE $200.

    I didn’t bash your personal story I criticized the reason you shared it, it’s an old sales trick to get people emotional so they will spend money. I don’t agree with those tactics and I’ve never used them. I think you are better than that and stated so Jonathan, and some day if you learn how to sell your product by delivering some REAL MEAT in the presentation, you won’t need to use that tactic and people (that have $20-70K) will sign up because of the evidence of proof you provide showing that it works, not because they were emotional.

    I don’t doubt Than’s, Paul’s or your successes or your automated mailing software but I didn’t hear anything about the additional cost of that automated program, I looked it up on the FB resources page, it’s about $300+ per month for a medium version and more for the full version. Is that an additional cost to the already expensive coaching this company offers? The details were not discussed at the seminar…oops, did you forgot to tell us about that little extra hidden cost.

    My doubts about the company’s ability to deliver on promises are made based on the FACT that we DID NOT get the promised slides. And IF I did misunderstand (I didn’t but let’s say I did) what slides we were going to get, it is because you repeatedly stated that you DID not want us to take notes, you wanted us to look up at you, you wanted out attention on you and you said it several times all three days, you would be sending us the slides.

    The few slides we did get didn’t even begin to cover a fraction of the material you covered.

    I did not attack your personal business efficiency, I’m sure you are very efficient in your own business or you wouldn’t be where you are today. I’ve researched you and you are successful. But what you are trying to sell with a few pictures of people you SAY are successful doesn’t prove anything.

    Boring: only because you didn’t have any REAL MEAT (evidence of proof) in your presentation of students successes, only photos with blurbs, no local examples of the real estate market in Sacramento when I know you could have used the MLS you belong to and pulled information from all throughout California, same as the MLS in Sacramento.

    You had videos of “other seminar attendees”, why didn’t you have LIVE videos of the now rich and happy students with contact info so they could be called to verify what you are trying to sell us. Haven’t you heard the old saying: “Telling is Selling.” Provide evidence of proof and the product will sell itself.

    The revival style selling hype, repeat this, raise your hand for that…dude that got old after the first two times.

    Hey Jonathan, I have a picture of me standing next to a check made out to me with 7 figures on it, and I’ll only charge you $20,000-70,000K to teach you how I made that…so sign here and press hard, there are three copies, and make your check payable to my corporation. Spending 9 hours three days in a row telling you why you should give me $20-70k to coach you to make that same 7 figure income isn’t going to convince you is it?

    You stated: “As far as giving out all the slides I do believe you misunderstood. I said I would be giving some of the slides in a few of the presentations, but not every single slide. People do not feel the need to take notes if you give out every single slide. I believe it would be a disservice as the trainer to not engage people. You definitely have a right to disagree with this, but this is what I have found to be true.”

    We are going to have to agree to disagree with each other on this. You repeatedly stated that we would get the slides, you DID NOTE WANT us to take notes; you wanted our attention on you. Now I know why you have the “no recording rule”, if we could have recorded you I could have counted up how many times in each of your presentations that you told us you would send the slides, not to worry about taking notes.

    My time is too valuable to play ping pong with you about this so I’ll just caulk it up to my own stupidity for believing you would follow through on your “under promise, over deliver” and call it a day.

    FYI: I have paid good money for professional coaching and marketing programs to a company where the owner himself flew in on his private jet that he owned free and clear to give his seminar and his program was affordable and worth every penny…and in a room of over 500 people he didn’t spend half a day on rules, he encouraged people to record, video and take notes of him. Big difference! He didn’t have anything to hide.

    After you gave us all those ridiculous rules (except to turn off cell phones) when the majority of the room was filled with people over 50 I became suspicious. There is usually a reason someone doesn’t want to be recorded…and the excuse you gave was also weak.

    You run a large business and you know the copyright laws, so don’t use something that has copyright laws and let people record you, it’s not that difficult to do. Or with all the money you and your company are making, buy the rights to use it.

    Maybe I also misunderstood your extravagant open house where you had the title and loan people pick up the tab for the cost, but if you ask DRE (here in California) that can get you and them in some deep, deep trouble.

    At $200 bucks a pop for approximately 150 people that paid you and your company made $30,000+ minus the expense of the room, you got paid some BIG Bucks for those three days, as you said; your time is worth a lot of money…so is mine.

    So unless you want to pay me $1000 per hour for my expert advice on how to really get your product sold and how to put on a seminar, without all the revival type hype and hand raising, using STRAIT talk that provides evidence of proof (if there is any besides you, Than and JD) that your product/program is worth what your company is selling it for, we are done here.

    Good luck.


    Than made good on promise says:
    March 26th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    I want to thank Than Merril for getting me the slides AND refunding my $200.00.

    I had a great conversation with him and he is a sincere person.

    I would venture to say that Than’s program, although not for the seasoned veteran, may very well benefit rookies looking to get into the investment business.

    I do hope that someday he will offer some of the automated programs to seasoned veterans looking to tweak their business without the large outlay it costs for the less experienced, I would be interested in taking a look at that program.

    Best wishes Than.

  • concerned says:

    March 8th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    My husband is attending this weekend as a guest. He is under the impression… you work for a specific group of investors looking to buy homes to flip. All you would do is locate the homes for them and they will invest to flip… any insight on this?


    Dave says:
    March 9th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    I have been to this workshop before and they teach you how to locate distressed properties in your local area and then flip them to other investors yourself by either wholesaling or rehabbing the property. They do focus a little on buying and holding property for cash flow as well, but the major focus is on flipping.

    They do not flip the houses for you if that’s what you mean. They teach you how to do it yourself as an investor and provide a lot of helpful tools and resources.

    I do know they partner on deals with students as I have since become a coaching student and on some of the weekly calls we do they have walked through case studies of joint venture deals they have partnered on with other students.

    I will say that their Mastery coaching program has helped me tremendously. I was somewhat skeptical because of the price, but since joining I can say it has been worth every penny. I have flipped a handful of properties since joining the program. A great example is two weeks ago I was stuck on how to put together a transaction since the buyer was about to walk and that same day I spoke with one of the coaches and he helped me restructure the deal and it closed nine days later.

    I can’t say enough about their coaching. I also have spoken to quite a few other Mastery students whose businesses have taken off because of their coaching. That’s my experience.

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    Jonathan Steingraber says:

    March 7th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    In Response to previous review.

    Hi this is Jonathan Steingraber the speaker at this particular FortuneBuilders event and this response is long because I take great pride in what I do personally. I love this business and I love teaching other people how to get started in this business for them selves. I just read your post and I thank you for your feedback, however I would like to personally address some of your concerns.

    First, I would like to address what you said about my personal story. If you look at my story as a sob story than you missed the point. After my story I get 50+ hugs from people thanking me for sharing my story and how it made a positive impact in their life. The next day I get 5-10 letters and gifts from people thanking me for sharing. After the event, even weeks after I get cards and letters in the mail talking about how this story inspired people to make a positive change in their life. On my facebook page I always get people thanking me as well. I know my story does not relate with everyone and that’s what I ask people to take the lessons I’ve learned and apply them to their own life so they can get something out of it. The Lessons are below.

    Lesson Number 1) Always Be Positive
    Lesson Number 2) Forgive (Yourself and Others)
    Lesson Number 3) As Your Life Changes Your Purpose Changes
    Lesson Number 4) Be Aware of Opportunity

    For some people my story and the lessons have been a huge turning point in their life and I’m proud to share it and continue to keep my promise to my little brother.

    I’d like to address some of your other comments and concerns:

    At the event I don’t spend time talking about all the money our students make because that’s not what people came to the event for. At the event I did tell people that if they want see numerous case studies of our successful coaching students to go to our website if they want more information and they can also check out the testimonial binder that we had at the event.

    In fact, every single week within our coaching program we have a coaching student conduct a “case study webinar” where they walk through one of their recent real estate deals so other people can learn, as every real estate transaction is somewhat unique. We record these case studies and post them on our website. Than specifically told me that if people want more information to point them there.

    Just go to the site below and you will see people from every walk of life and every area of the country having a lot of success in this business utilizing our intensive coaching program.

    People come to my workshop to learn, not to talk about how much money other people are making and that’s why we covered so much content in 3 days.

    If you didn’t learn anything, then I apologize but I also congratulate you because after over 20 years of being in the business you have obviously learned a lot. Most people who attend real estate workshops are relatively new so you have to cover the basics if you want to help them be successful. Most people do not have 20 years experience so you have to start with a lot of the fundamentals and then dive deeper.

    What I do know is that Than and Paul are two of the most successful investors I have ever met who run a very successful real estate business in San Diego. These guys are the real deal. I have seen people who have been in this business for 20+ years come and visit our office and they are blown away by what we do.

    We buy and sell a lot of houses in San Diego every year and we do this business at a very high level. That’s why I choose to work with these guys on deals and why I have my own deals as well.

    In fact, I would be more than happy to take you or anyone else who is skeptical about whether or not you can actually do this business in today’s market on a tour of all of our ongoing real estate projects right here in San Diego.

    At anytime during the year I could personally walk you through from 7 to 15 large rehab deals we are working on, not to mention 10 to 20 smaller wholesale deals. We have an office of 12 people who work within our real estate investment business; anybody would be highly impressed at how efficiently the business is run. Email me anytime if you would like to take this tour:

    As far as our coaching is concerned, I would like to address that as well because I started out many years ago as a coaching student and it helped my personal real estate business tremendously.
    Believe me, the coaching program does not just consist of templates and scripts. Maybe I didn’t communicate it that well when I was discussing it, which is my fault.

    In fact, our coaching is a very detailed coaching program with all the tools, coaching, support, and technology that you need to be a successful real estate business owner. Personally, it took my business to the next level so when Than asked me to teach this class I jumped at the chance to do so.

    As far as me being boring. Well, I try not to be, but I guess we can all learn to be more exciting. I do try my best to use Accelerated Learning Techniques so you don’t fall asleep and you can retain the information at this event. The whole idea of answering questions, repeating what I ask, and filling in the blank with words is for increased retention of the content being delivered. We’ve all been to seminars before and it’s hard to stay awake if it’s not entertaining, engaging, and interactive so we make it all three, or at least try to. All weekend long I have students come up to me thanking me for keeping up the energy but I’ll continue to improve on this.

    As far as the rules of the event. Rules are important, especially when we have a couple hundred people in the room, so we spend time on the rules so everyone can get the most out of the event. Because of the rules the event goes smoothly and better networking is accomplished.

    At the end of the event we ask attendees questions about how we are different and what their favorite parts of the events are, and repeatedly we get the response of how much information and golden nuggets were given for a few hundred dollars.

    In regards to your comments on the RESPA laws. I double checked just to make sure. I actually called the real estate commission to verify what we’re teaching. If you look under the Publications tab at and then specifically under the Referral of Customers for Compensation Code 10177.4 you will get the exact letter on this law. Maybe I should be more specific about the professionals sponsoring being present and advertising their services at the same open house luncheon. I thank you for that feedback as well.

    Everything we teach is 100% legal and ethical because that is the only way to run a business long term. Throughout the whole event we promote doing this business with integrity and taking the server approach so I’m sure you appreciate that.

    As far as giving out all the slides I do believe you misunderstood. I said I would be giving some of the slides in a few of the presentations, but not every single slide. People do not feel the need to take notes if you give out every single slide. I believe it would be a disservice as the trainer to not engage people. You definitely have a right to disagree with this, but this is what I have found to be true.

    This event changes people’s lives regardless if they are able to move forward with our highest level coaching programs or not. And that is our goal. To create an experience and give people what they need to make a positive change in their life.

    Lastly, we do have many different programs that range from wholesaling, to rehabbing, to office systems training seminars, to business automation tools, to much more intensive one on one coaching programs and mastermind groups. We NEVER offer discounts after the seminar on ANY of our highest level one on one coaching programs. I do know that when people call our office after the event we do have and offer lower level beginner programs which is very different from our higher level programs that you have to apply to be part of. Rest assured you do not get a better deal by holding out as you state. That is simply not the case.

    More importantly, I am sorry the event wasn’t what you expected and as you say was a “waste of your time.” As a company we do not want to have anyone who is unhappy so I am more than happy to refund your $200 no questions asked. All you have to do is email me personally at and I will mail it to you right away.

    If it would help and you would like to get more information about a specific presentation I did, just email me and I’ll send you some notes and bullets on it.


    tim says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    it is great to be engaging but i think you guys need to give people the powerpoint so they can pay more attention to the speaker instead of trying to play catchup and missing things that the speaker may be saying….


    RDCIP says:
    March 11th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    I hate to admit it, but a lot of this post is true.

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    Not Stupid says:

    March 6th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I’ve been in real estate for 20 years and I’m a broker. I have been to ALL KINDS of seminars, but this one was the worst. At the initial meet and greet you are told that you will learn a ton for another $200 (and that the company will lend money to their students to buy homes…but at the seminar you learn that their rate is 14% YEEE HAAWWW!!! And that’s after you spend $20-70K for their program).

    So $200 buys you and one other person a ticket to a 3 day revival type selling technique that is so boring you would fall asleep if you weren’t raising your hand every 5 seconds to repeat what the speaker wants to you yell out on his command. I stayed because I wanted to see if there would be something offered that I could use that would help me get my $200 back, but no luck.

    The first half of the day was spent going over rules: no cell phone ringers on, no recorders, no video’s, etc. etc. etc. the rest of the day was spent on why you need this to make money but they wouldn’t tell you how much until towards the end of the second day; but then after they told you, Jonathan spends about an hour telling you a personal family incident that is supposed to get you all teary eyed and concludes it with…and that’s why I’m glad I found this program…to soften the blow of the cost of the program. Jonathan, save it bro. Everyone in the U.S. has a sob story in this day and age, even I do, but we don’t use it to get people emotional so they will spend money.

    I’m not saying that what happened wasn’t tragic, it is and was, but don’t use it to sell your program, it’s beneath you and if the program is really that good, if you would have had live REAL examples that you could have produced (students making money), the program would have sold itself.

    As far as the actual material they offer, it could be effective and very useful but I’m not going to pay $20-40K just for some outlines of letters, an automated mailing/CRM program and someone to coach me to do what I’ve already been doing for 20 years.

    And the young man that was giving the seminar, Jonathan, boasted about utilizing your loan, title and other service people to pay for an elaborate open house they called a “party”…sorry bro, RESPA LAWS are RESPA LAWS and they don’t bend the rules for anyone or any “Party”.

    The most disappointing (but I suspected it was BS from the start) was that as people were frantically taking notes, Jonathan told us several times throughout the presentation that HE WOULD SEND ALL OF US THE SLIDES (he said it several times all three days) and not to worry about taking notes, he wanted us to pay attention to him.

    It was BS for sure, I got 18 slides and a couple of other excel spread sheets with a schedule on them and a video of how to make a hand written form letter…WOOPTY FREAKIN DO…LOL, give me something I didn’t know for the $200 bucks I spent.

    I emailed the company several requests to provide the slides and they replied that they sent all that they had and that was all that Jonathan sent them to send us. I tried to email Merrill directly but they screened it and I got an email back from the same help desk with the same message.

    So as it stands in my mind, although Jonathan continued to taunt that their company “under promises” and “over delivers”, they did not deliver on their promise in the least, could not or flat out refused to deliver the “Promised” sets of slides to us and if they can’t keep that easy of a promise then I’m sure they can’t deliver on the other ones that you pay $20K, 40K or as much as 70K for.

    Whether you are licensed or not BEWARE of the “neat” marketing ideas Jonathan shared, they can get you in deep poop for sure with the authorities.

    The short portion of the seminar about corporations was so vague it gave me no more information than I already knew being in business all these years myself…”you get taxed according to how and where you set up your corporation” REALLY??? I didn’t need to pay $200 to know that or hear things that could get me in hot water with authorities that might be ok back East but not in California.

    I’ve taught several investors how to invest as my clients without charging them a dime (maybe I should have…LOL) but I did as a courtesy to them for using my real estate services and none of them had to worry about breaking any laws or spending another $40k for the advice.

    The other thing that really seemed odd is that they did not (although the MLS reaches throughout California) provide or have any local Sacramento real estate examples, they did not have any of the “now rich and happy students” come to share their experiences in person. They only had pictures of them and blurb quotes.

    They did have video recordings of others that attended their other seminars that raved about the seminar so why not have live videos of those that have gone through the $20-40K or 70K program??? There sales pitch is real weak if you ask me.

    If I had or for that matter anyone had a program that they are charging $20-70K for, and there WERE successful people that have gone through the program, I would pay for my students to attend and for their time to come to my seminar and share with others.

    Of the people they had come on stage, one was not even signed up in the program I found out later, one had just signed up and the other had been doing it for a year. Jonathan’s business partner was the only one besides Jonathan that has made any real money but from what I gather it has mostly been done back East.

    So when you add these deficiencies in the sales pitch up, to me it’s all BS. If it works great, but I’ll never know because instead of bringing people (students that have used the program and made money with it) to give testimonials, they used revival style hoop la that didn’t show us anything but a bunch of hype. YOUR company needs to show us the MONEY and then we will show you OURS, but you first since you want $20-70k.

    I’m not sure why Than Merrill would let someone give a seminar that didn’t have some real meat in it, but as far as I’m concerned it was a waste of 9 hours 3 days in a row and $200 I could have put to better use.

    Than Merrill, you need to revamp your delivery and show some true life examples in the areas that you want people to spend $20-70K on your program, do that and you can save people 3 days and 9 hour days of hype and just get to the point in one day. Your program will sell itself, IF it really does what it says it does.

    As it is now, you were able to sucker a few people that did buy into it, but if they don’t become successful you won’t have to come to Sacramento again, word will get out and Sacramento although it is the Capitol of the State, is still a close nit town. Bad press travels fast around here.

    For those few that spent the money for the program I do hope someday you can tell the world how rich you are and how well Than Merrill’s coaching and other programs worked for you, I’d love to admit that I’m wrong.

    However, you might want to note that about three days after the seminar, I was contacted and offered another less expensive level of the program for $3-7K. I declined becasue I still think it’s a bunch of hype, accept for the automated email and letters (but not for even 3K would I buy it). So instead of you spending a minimum of $20K, if you would have held out, you could have saved about $13K. Now how do you feel about the program? Maybe the company can give you a rebate…RIGHT…LOL.


    ACINKC says:
    March 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Glad you posted this! I have been in real estate for 15 years and worked with lots of investors! I try to tell people that these types of classes are a scam! I get calls from people that have seen these types of classes advertised on TV.

    Bottom line; all an investor needs is a knowledgeable real estate professional, that they trust, helping them! You can take that $20K-40K investment that you would put into their program and buy your first investment; and already be on your way to making $$ and bypass this system!

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    elane says:

    March 5th, 2012 at 6:03 am

    These guys are professional scammers. Slick speakers talk you out of a couple of hundred to attend a weekend seminar. After the seminar you’re told that you enroll in their six month educational program for half price, as long as you pay in full today. Half price is 40,000 dollars. That’s right 40,000 for training materials, books, videos and a few hours with a personal coach. Unbelievable.

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    Vet says:

    March 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Been in the business over 20 hrs and spending money on this course is a vast waste…there are no shortcuts and there is a reason he name drops on his and name recognition is the reason. They charge thousands of dollars for what you can learn from books..yes, of course the info they give you are vague but as a RE expert myself they appeal to those unaware of the business and the processes..PLEASE save your money…can say people didn’t tell you!!!!….this week they will be in San Diego

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    badapple says:

    February 23rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm is a dubious outfit. When contacting their customer support, their voice mail always always stated that their agents are too busy, asking for leaving a voice msg. When messages are repeatedly left, there are never return calls. When dialed their direct line published on their webpage,, you are told the number dialed is incorrect.


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