TrueCar Reviews
TrueCar, headquartered in Santa Monica, CA, is a company that provides new car buyers with transparent vehicle sales data from across the country. Using truecar.com prospective buyers can see exactly what others have paid for the same vehicles.
TrueCar.com is a free service that provides four data points to help customers negotiate better deals. Those include: actual dealer cost, factory invoice, average price paid, and MSRP. What sets TrueCar apart from other pricing websites is that they do not directly sell leads to car dealerships, allowing them to focus on publishing accurate data.
The service is also beneficial to dealerships since it gives them access to market data allowing them to price cars in accordance with customer expectations.
TrueCar also offers customers the option of printing out a no haggle guaranteed pricing certificate. Car buyers can take these into participating dealerships and purchase the car for the discounted price without any bargaining.
They dont stop sending you emails and calling you 24/7!!! your info is out to the world !!! Also, the pricing does NOT INC. all the CRAZY FEES everyone adds, and they dont tell you that online only when you get to the dealer !
Not a scam. I got bids from three dealers, all well below invoice, and simply took the lowest. no hassle, no problem.
Do not waste your time unless you like getting buried in unwanted junk mail. They forward a quote to you and send your contact information to every dealer within 25 miles. Then the dealers flood you with emails and call you endlessly with every offer except the one you requested. I was shown 4 dealers who supposedly would honor the price on the certificate for the car I requested. Not one - zero- zip - zilch - none of them even had the car, or even a similar car. They all tried to sell me a different, lesser car for more money.
This is a scam of the first degree.
I had a great experience using True Car to educate myself on what others paid for the car I wanted. It was amazing to see the range of what people pay for the same car. I didn't print a certificate or take anything to the dealer but was able to use the information to better inform myself about the buying process.
Site was pretty worthless... received two email certificates and was contacted by local dealers. The cert i received showed a quote around $3700 below MSRP. The one dealer that had my car said they could never sell a car below MSRP and quoted me a price that was actually higher than MSRP. The other dealer didnt even have a single model that I wanted regardless of options. Awesome. Truecar for the win.
The site is worthless, every certificate I printed and went to a dealer with was not accepted for various reasons...usually they do not have the car and one told me that true car does not check their inventory only asks if they had that model what would they sell it for and told me they had so many issues with people showing up with certificates that they could not honor they were leaving the true car program as soon as they could... I wasted a lot of time and the dealers are losing credibility with long time customers.
I liked truecar! When doing my pre purchase research I found it to be extremely helpful. This is the first time I purchased a car without my husband (he was watching from afar!) so I didn't want to botch it. I really liked their blogs and advice as well. It was fun to watch the salespeople attempt all the strategies outlined. It was more fun to counter them! I did not use their certificate, but because of them I was able to work out a deal that I am very very happy with.
I tried TrueCar, but there aren’t many dealers in my area that subscribe to the service. I’ve heard too many complaints to drive 50 miles to have someone pull a bait and switch on me. I just don’t have time to deal with that.
Besides, I have always been successful is getting a reasonable price on my own. As soon as the dealer says I can sell you this car for $x per month, I cut him off. I tell him I’m very serious about buying, but I’m not negotiating monthly payments. I ask to see the invoice (never been refused, but I would walk if it was). I tell him I’ll give them $500 over invoice minus any incentives …and don’t tack on any extra charges like $180 for window etching (I understand that registration and reasonable documentation fees are legit).
The guys face usually drops. I’m not going to be his big payday. However, it’s a smooth transaction (unlike the guy who wants to pay $550 per month for Chevy Tahoe and doesn’t understand that he can’t buy a car for $20k under invoice). They make a few bucks on me, quickly get me out the door and move on to the next buyer.
True car is for Mooches I call the leads and email them till they die or buy! Don't fill out a form unless you want to buy. Don't come on the lot expecting book for your trade you might try selling your rat of a car to another Mooch on autotrader.
The problem is that shopping for a car is one of the most stressful things for most people. Not only is it probably the second biggest purchase you'll make in your lifetime, you are constantly paranoid (for good reason) that the salesman is going to try to pull one over on you. It's happened to me, and I'm sure it has happened to you.
The feeling of having to be on the defensive when buying something for yourself is extremely tiring, stressful and annoying. If the auto industry didn't play all of the stupid games, then the buying public wouldn't be looking for more ways to figure out how to get the very best deal. Take Scion and Saturn (RIP) for example: The price is the price. Done.
Take this example: I went to buy a Kia Optima. I had done my research beforehand, knew what I was paying, what the down payment was, knew what special interest rate I would qualify for, and knew what my payments would be.
At the end of the transaction, the salesman tried to slip in an extended warranty without telling me (ON A KIA! They already have the best warranty in the business!), I only caught it because I had done all of the calculations beforehand.
I mean, imagine going to the grocery store, and you have all of your items on the belt. At the last minute, the cashier slips in some extra items without telling you. Doesn't that sound ridiculous? THAT is the kind of behavior that makes auto buying awful for the customer. And THAT is why the auto buyer is going to be shopping around at multiple dealers searching for an honest salesman with a good deal. And THAT is why nobody is answering your calls.
"Best warranty in the business"? I think that trying to slip you something is terrible but you might try doing a google search on KIA warranty complaints. The Korean cars still need more time to catch up to the Japanese in quality. That is why the resale is terrible.
Dealers just use Truecar to attract you. When you get in the store. they will tell you the car is gone or that was a mistake. Either you waste a trip or choose to settle down with another car, from which dealers will get what they want.
Really? What do you expect? You get quoted a figure that is below what the dealership paid for the car and they still have to pay TrueCar $300. Why would any business do this? The good ones don't sign up for TrueCar.
The car dealer is the first place every church, school and civic organization goes for a handout. I have been an auto dealer for 16 years. And over those years we have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to our community. If it is no longer profitable to be a local car dealer I will just sell my 7.5 million dollar facility in a great location and retire. Leaving no more donations. Remember we all need to make money or we can not provide a service to our customers and community.
What Truecar fails to mention is that they charge the dealer $300.00 for your information and sales lead. Truecar is nothing more than another vulture that has figured out a get rich quick sceme that in the end cost the consumer more money. When will the consumer learn that you get your best deal by shopping the local dealer...you know, the one you take your car to for service...the one who gives you a loaner while your is in their service department...the one who will pick your car up if needed...the one who prides himself/herself in being there for you.
absolutely correct Jim...name me any item that costs $20k - 40K and no profit is made? I'm listening! Car sales people have families too. We provide a service and should be able to make a minimal profit. Our dealership will not honor truecar pricing as they are net zero deals providing no profit from which to base a commission and no profit for the dealership in which to keep the lights on and give to the community. How many of you in business do it for zero profit?
It's not surprising that you react so vehemently against a website that merely educates consumers. Perhaps if car dealers and their salespeople didn't take every opportunity to screw their customers and suck as much money out of them as possible, the prospect of buying a car wouldn't be so abhorrent to most people in the first place. So go ahead and close up shop, because if you need ignorant consumers to stay in business, you are a dinosaur. Wake up, it's the information age. And the free flow of information is essential in a capitalist system. So you're also a commie hypocrite.
Boo-hoo! Auto sales was started by you. If Johnny pays xxx for a car he braggs to everyone so Jimmy goes buys the auto for yyy. Hell Jimmy got better deal than Johnny so here comes Timmy his deal beats both Johnny and Jimmy.
Flat rate on auto just like Wal Mart. Don't give cars to churches and schools and loose that tax deduction...
Joe,
Have you ever been to Walmart? Best Buy? Home Depot? What price do you pay for a ladder? MSRP I bet. have you ever paid MSRP for a car? There is a huge double standard out there. You are fine paying MSRP for a new TV so Costco makes it 18% gross margin, but when it comes to buying a car, you want the dealer to make no profit. But, when your sons little league team needs a sponsor, who door are you knocking on first?
The bottom line is that people like you are going to get your wish one day. You are going to get flat rate pricing and it is going to be MSRP. In your never ending quest to make sure that these businesses (dealerships) can't make any money, it will force the model to be changed. I guess that is just more for you to cry about and some people just like to have things to cry about.
I work for a dealership in Nebraska and true car is illegal. What blows my mind is everyone walks into Walmart and pays what they are asking. Do they haggle them the answer would be no.
I went through the process just to get called by three car dealerships that have signed up with the website. I found better pricing at Gus Paulos Chevrolet on my own. Unfortunately the three other Dealerships, Larry H Miller, Riverton and Quality just won't stop bugging me. Oh well, I learned my leson.
You just did it wrong. I got a new Mercedes with a sticker price of $74k for $62k. According to Truecar, the best price in my area was $69K. So I checked prices in Beverly Hills and saw that I could get the exact same vehicle there for $64K. I was able to knock a couple more thousand off using the Beverly Hills price as my starting point. And if it came down to it, I would have flown to BH and driven the car back, or had it shipped. I initially provided my info to 3 local dealers as well. When I told them I already bought a car, they stopped calling.
Truecar is coming under attack by many dealerships. There is a professional consultant's website with nearly 150 pages of comments on how Truecar is destroying the dealerships by using the dealerships own data against them. They refer to Truecar as the Beast! As I understand it, Truecar uses the data to validate sales. Regardless, the common thread in all this is that Truecar has taken-away some very high profits; the dealers are complaining that they can no longer ensure that they can cajole the most out of unsuspecting buyers. Personnel in dealerships are very well trained...they are very good at their craft. Truecar has leveled the playing field and dealers hate it! They have taken to using existing legislation to stop Truecar from acting in several states. What the dealers are most afraid of, it seems to me by reading the forum, is true competition. Well, paybacks are hell. And after forty years of dealerships getting the most profit out of me, it's my turn now. In the past several years I have purchased several high end cars at prices that were amazing. I've been able to drive a BMW, Audi, Acura and Infiniti at the cost of a very well equipped modest car.
A suggestion to avoid being disappointed, and subsequently blaming the dealer or Truecar for something that is NOT their fault. For those of you who want to use Truecar, first go to the particular dealer's website - probably the one closest to your home (If you can keep your $ local that is probably best.) Check out the inventory of the cars you are interested in purchasing. Choose a car in-stock and make note of all the options and the MSRP. Then, find out the zip code for that dealership. Then, go to the Truecar site and price the exact car with the exact options listed in the dealer's on-line inventory. Make certain the MSRPs match. (Better yet, go to the lot when the dealer is closed and write down the options and stock number for the exact car you are pricing.) Then, visit the dealer to purchase the exact car you just priced.
I work for an honest, hard-working Ford dealership, and I had one encounter with TrueCars. It was thru a customer who came in stating he could get a Ford Explorer for such and such amount of money. He was an X Plan buyer; they get special pricing based on having a working realtionship with Ford, and the pricing is very attractive. The customer claimed he could get it for $200 less thru TrueCar. This would have been below dealer invoice. There is no way a dealer is going to part with a 2012 Explorer, which is very popular, for under invoice. I thanked the customer for his input and told him he's just going to have to go to that other dealer and find out what the pricing is ACTUALLY going to be. It will be interesting to see. From what I understand, the customer is hesitant to go to that other dealer. Can't blame him.
I've never understood why it took ~8 or more hours to buy a car!!!
TrueCar was awesome, I printed my cert, walked into the BMW dealer and sipped a coffee while they filled out paperwork.
Thanks TrueCar!
Brian, I hope you leased your BMW. Nobody should buy one if they plan to keep it passed the warranty period. You will know every service writter in the dealership before you finish paying for it.
Here's a thought to all of you cheap ppl that use this and all of the other lying websites. How about actually allowing the dealer to make some kind of actual minimal profit. Guess what ... When you go to wal mart you are paying a gigantic profit on everything you buy. So do you stand at the register and haggle over the price of a vacume cleaner? So why do it when you buy a car?
The average mark up in a base model Toyota corolla is about $1000. If you offer less than dealer cost how do you expect those employed by that dealer to keep their jobs and support their families?
The same people that refuse to pay a profit of any kind are the same idiots that are complaining about the economy. Wake up!!!
Hats off to you, its amazing that True Car is here defending every review and trying to make dealers look bad, when in fact its True Car that is riding to backs of every dealer that is signed up with them. True Car making 30 to 50 million a month in pure profit. A car dealer is lucky to make $100.000 a month...who is ripping off who here?
After reading a bunch of the comments about how terrible TC and other lying websites the one thing I missed in all the verbage WAS the lack of insight into the profits that a dealership makes in the service area. This is where the money is when you look at the charts they post with repair prices.
They could give the car away and in the end when you go in for the "required" service so does the money. Also why all the people feeling sorry for the dealer maybe they can explain what the processing fee is along with dealer fees. In FL look on the price sheet sent by TC and you will find around a 700.00 something or other fee on top of the price quoted. NICE SURPRISE NO PROFIT???
That's nice for Flordia and a few other states with large doc fees. However most states such as Ca. works on a $55 doc fee which dosn't pay much of anything.
You cant combine service profit and sales profit into the discussion. True Car doesnt even discuss service prices. Most dealerships keep seperate accounting info for service, parts, and sales. Look at a dealership as three businesses in one location. Now back to the original point of this discussion, sales profit. Asking for a discount is not a bad thing, neither is asking for a profit. The salesperson is most impacted by discounting a car, because the salesman makes between 15-30% of the profit made on the car deal. The salesperson makes his living selling cars for a profit. People dont do research on his next dentist visit, then show up without an appointment, walk around the dentists office, pick up his tools, then ask for a 40% discount on cleanings or braces. No person negotiates with their physician, surgeon, or anesthesiologist when they are about to have a procedure done. There is no TrueDoc/Dentist/T-shirt/Gym Shoe/Birth Control/Steak Sandwhich. Respect a man and his work.
couldn't agree with you more William. In a tough economy, we seek a good deal, not a non-profit deal...have some compassion for those of us in the same economic boat and allow people who provide a service the ability to bring something home to their families.
You guys lost everybody's respect with your dubious business practices. The other examples you cite bear no similarity to your business model. And there are review sites or consumer guide websites for every product imaginable. How can you complain about people coming in and checking out your products? You invite people into your showrooms; you want them to get in the cars, take a test-drive, etc., so you can "get them in the box" and feed them a bunch of lies. Do you wonder why there are so many websites like Truecar? Because you made car buying a pain. You take advantage of anybody you can, and now they are educating themselves so you can't.
In regards to the analogy of bargaining with dentists, thats what insurance does. It keeps them in check to make sure they dont go crazy with fees. And those dealers who claim we should pay MSRP, I bet when they bought their homes they did not agree to pay full price for it. They had to negotiate a fair price.
I had the lonnnngest day of my life using True Car's website. I printed up the True Car price quotes, of which none of my local dealerships were listed. The prices were over $2,000 lower than any quote that I received from my local Mazda dealerships so I had to see if this was going to be real or not. I was a little bit suspicious because it almost seemed too good to be true but I would be a fool to not save myself that much money. The closest True Car dealership was 52 miles away. When I got there the dealer told me that I would have to qualify for two different incentives to get the price that I was quoted!! Ugh! Why wasn’t this made clear to me when they called before I drove all the way out there?? Feeling cheated out I left there and called the other two True Car dealers to make sure that I wasn’t going to get the same spiel. I’m glad that I called because after some tooth pulling I found that it was the same conditions at the other True Car dealers. Sooo I came back to my local dealer and got a great price from them with no hidden rebates that I needed to qualify for. I’m very disappointed in the process as I had thought this should have been honest, straight forward, and no haggling. It’s the reason I went to the website in the first place. I learned my lesson and to anyone using this program be cautious! Too good to be True
The only dealers that use Truecar are dealers that are truely desparate for business and will use any scheme to get it.
Im in the car business and in our area, the only lots that participate in true car are small non productive lots in the middle of nowhere. And they pull the same stuff to get customers to qualify.
Just go to google, look at the dealerships reviews, see what the customers say (Good and bad), and contact that dealerships internet/fleet department for hassle free best pricing. Sometimes dealerships let cars go for under invoice just to move them. other times they don't. But markets change every 3 days or so, and sights like true car just dont keep up with that.
Why would a dealership want to match prices against a website that is not actually selling a car? It makes no sense at all. On the other hand, sometimes we are under true car pricing. The site is entirely erroneous
Never sign up. All they do is just constantly call you, over and over again.
Turned out like a traditional unpleasant car negotiation. Rather than honor the quote / certificate the salesman back charged miscellaneous fees such as an alleged built in Toyota security system and other fees supposedly not covered in the quote. Further the amount the dealership offered for my trade in was 300% below the lowest end of the Kelly Blue book value used on the site. Almost silmilar experience but not quite as bad at a Cook County dealer. Ended up buying from a non participating dealer at $3,300 below sticker price for a new RAV 4 which was over $1.5K better than any quote from the TrueCar participating dealerships. Rather than dealers dropping TrueCar; Truecar should drop the shady dealers trying to gouge the consumer who don't honor the quotes.
Your trade was probably a trashed peice of junk that you think is worth way more than what anyone would pay. You'll spend the next five years trashing your new rav and expect way more for that too.
They have to try and dig themselves out of the tank when you show up wih the Truecar certificate. The dealer knows you have a price quote he/she prepared, after paying Truecar $300.00 for it, that is most likely a money loser. So, when you show up at their door with this certificate, they know you're a buyer and that you expect to buy the car at a negative profit. That's when they start with the add ons and the cons...they need to turn the loser deal into a profit deal any way they can...all because of a company called Truecar that first suckered you into a belief. It all starts with Truecar
Actually you're wrong True car has been audited by the dealer association for what's called bait and switch.in order to give a quote or price the dealerboard requires stock number, engine size, and basically how did we get to that price ie, rebates, dealer discount . There are over 5 violations in a True car quote.
@Jeff If TrueCar dropped the shady dealers, they wouldn't have any.
So I got my truecar.com price quote on a base model Mitsubishi Lancer. It was really low $13,995 boy was I happy to get a commuter car brand new for that cheap. Little did I know that to get that price I had to have been in the military and just graduated college. On top of that the car that I got the quote on did not have air condition!!! The salesman explained how much the dealer paid for the vehicle and he still made me a great deal but not thanks to truecar.com. TRUECAR IS A SCAM!!
Mike, your Truecar certificate is an estimate of what you might pay for the car you have configured. A common mistake made by consumers who receive a Price Protection Certificate is they print the certificate out, take it to a dealer without really understanding how the certificate works. Your "Guaranteed Savings" (below or above factory invoice) is the price that the dealer has promised to give you, the consumer. The "My Price with guarantee (as configured)" is a reflection of what you might expect to pay for the vehicle if the vehicle is available as configured. In the majority of cases, a dealership receives their inventory from the factory with Factory Installed options or Port Installed Options which will increase the Factory to dealer Invoice (which your savings is based on - not the MSRP that other consumers pay. So if you have a certificate that is offering you 2500.00 below factory invoice and the same vehicle has 3000.00 of additional factory installed options, you would ask to see the invoice for that vehicle and deduct your savings from the invoiced price and that will be your purchase price for the vehicle minus state tax, DMV fees and dealer documentation fees.
Another problem is that customers are not aware that they should speak to the trained Truecar representative whose name is on their certificates, so they get the bait and switch not knowing that not all of the salesmen at a dealership are trained in our program. The certificate is also not a guarantee of availability. A certificate holder should always call the certified dealership of their choice and speak to our representative to confirm price and availability.
I hope this has cleared some things up for you. =)
Yeah true car sounds like a joke but I've learned in my life that everything is a joke unless you have cash. I don't care what it is in your life if you don't have the cash dont buy it. You can save hundreds of thousands using only cash in your life. I lived by this philosophy young in my life and I own my house my cars my big screen ect ect ect. The trick is not buying it if you don't have the cash. My first car cost me 1000 dollars instead of buying new I invested in something I wouldn't have to pay interest on. My first house was a trailer I got for 7k. Again while most people were throwing away money renting I bought a decent trailer for less than market value by using cash. This was years ago now I own a 150k home and a 30k car all because I wasn't a sheep like most Americans. Society rips you off and I feel bad for the average person. Sorry about getting into my life story but live by this rule no matter how big the purchase. If you can't buy it with cash dot buy it.
LOL! This response is too funny. If it takes 2 paragraphs to explain what "Price Protection Certificate" and "Guaranteed Savings" are, that is called a "Tell" or a "Redflag". The slogans themselves clearly imply ideals that TrueCar.com can't live up to. The slogans are simple, the explanation should be just as simple....just sayin'. If the "Price Protection Certificate" is a useless document and the "Guaranteed Savings" are sadly not guaranteed, then what may I ask is the point? I was going to visit Truecar.com, but given the complaints of users here and the weak attempt at clarification by (I will assume) their employees, I will not use them. Big. Fail.
thank you Mike! You're spot on! truecar only cares about its profit while ensuring auto dealers make none.
My opinion of true car is good for one thing and one thing only mooches. It's for the people who don't want to negotiate and get a rock bottom price. I work in car sales I am there to make money and the kicker is that not only does the dealership lose a bunch of money but they pay true car a fee.
the prices they list are below dealer cost dealers are not in the market to lose money there for its not gona work, also dealers have to pay 300 per lead sold whos gona pay that the coustmer thats who. there goal is to cut the salesman out of the buying transaction. they will not last long.
Finally someone that understands the basic concept of economics.
Yes... This is the most refreshing thing I have read all morning. I would go further to say that the $300 doesn't get passed on to the consumer, the transaction actually gets avoided all together.
Not sure if my bad experience is because of Truecar but it's obvious that Truecar forces the dealer to play games. I used to be in the car business many moons ago so I have a decent understanding of what happens. I cant imagine dealers are really liking this service and I'd venture to say honest car dealers wouldn't even participate in such a service.
Services like this seem consumer friendly on the surface and maybe their intentions are good but they forget or have no experience in the actual business of selling cars and the logistics behind selling cars at a dealership. Most dealers are "survivors" and in the end will do whatever they can to survive and sell cars at a profit (as they should make some percentage of profit).
Lets agree most dealers are really bad at marketing...have you seen a dealership commercial lately that enticed you to visit? Chances are NO. They struggle for traffic and consumers. Many sign up for services such as this truecar for additional leads. Apparently truecar has access to data and dealers are unaware of this. This data / pricing is so low that its hard for a dealer to make any money on a new car purchase. Therefore they resort to the bait and switch. Tell the customers this is "a" car and the price we will sell it for BUT then you arrive, the car was "just sold". Another option would be to offer much less on your trade-in to make up for the loss on the new car.
In the end, dealers as any business need to make money. When you have services out there like this truecar, it forces business and dealers to go into defense mode (understandably). Defense mode is NOT good and its when all the little tricks come out of the bag, making it a bad experience for the consumer. But who do we blame? The car dealership. The car dealership that employees many people in your local community. Many are very charitable too. Plus they are the only true establishment that is certified to work on your car for warranty purposes.
We get what we pay for. It's how it always works. You don't pay for something, it either bites you back or goes away. That's not good for either party.
I was a victim of the bait and switch at the local Honda dealership but in the back of my mind I was expecting it. I did purchase from another dealership instead but decided the second time around I would not deal with a dealership on truecar or any "buying" service for that matter.
You said
"Apparently truecar has access to data and dealers are unaware of this. This data / pricing is so low that its hard for a dealer to make any money on a new car purchase."
This is true. Truecar does have access to the dealer's data and the dealers are aware of this. They enter it into Truecar's Dealer Database and from there, Truecar uploads it to the Truecar website.So they give us the information we are showing to our customers. =)
Knowingly?
Steve, most dealerships are bad at marketing but that doesn't mean that you can't get a really good deal on a new car. Pick out a new car that you want to own and then go to Cars.com or AutoTrader.com. Do a search for that car and sort by price. In most markets, it really is that simple. I ran the internet department for a store in Dallas. We sold 70% of the dealerships sales and mostly new cars. You were in and out in an hour and a half and people loved us. We still had some flakes that wanted to negotiate further but we dispensed with them in short order.
I started looking at true car after I saw their ad on TV. I examined it for a week or two and then registered in order to have access to my "certificate."
When I called the dealer with the lowest price (miraculously the dealer nearest my home), they no longer had the truck they listed on true car. It appears that Nissan makes very few (perhaps none) basic trucks with a manual transmission but they nevertheless use the price of such a truck to lure buyers into the dealership. I guess they count on stupid people.
What happened to the small truck in America? I had a hard body that averaged 27 mpg and had 455,000 miles on it when I sold it.
True Car appears to be a scam that is seeking contact info and browsing history. As I talked to the saleslady, she began to tell me I had been looking at for several weeks before I registered with Tue Car. When I asked her how she knew, she explained that she was able to see what I had been looking at because I had registered. It was a real turn-off!
Again, the certificate is not a guarantee of availability. It simply shows what a customer might expect to pay for a vehicle if it is available exactly as configured on the website. The "My Guaranteed Savings" is the guaranteed Truecar savings offered by the dealer and posted to the website.
how about giving certificates for vehicles that are ACTUALLY ON THE LOT??! scammers.
Southerjustice, I've sold thousands of Nissan trucks. I sold them when they were called Datsun. Nissan doesn't produce the base Frontier because they are not profitable. I wouldn't be surprised to see them drop all of the truck lines. The government requirements will kill the small truck market. It isn't just Nissan.
