Liberty League International

Lee   Ireland

I was fooled into buying into the liberty league International business a few years ago and cashed out and purchased their personal development product. This was their way of introducing you into the business and brain washing you into believing that you would learn a new way life from their personal development course and that by subsequently promoting their product and selling it on you would make your way up the ladder and eventually start earning good money. This would turn out to be a complete lie and a scam. Through the power of the internet they would try and get as many vulnerable people at any one time to buy into their clever brain washing scheme and then when suspicions would arise, they would throw you some rehearsed line or fob you off in some way. My advice to anyone is to avoid these kind of people and if caught, good luck trying to get your money back.

ca   left side of USA

10-4. Ten-four... I agree. It is over, however. It's done. Was fun while it lasted tho. Now you have to go to Wealth Masters Int. or LiePath, Int. I mean LifePath,Int.

Gaura Nitai das   Los Angeles

There are two types of people left in this world. The cheaters and the cheated. LLI is promising everything for our sense enjoyment. No one, in the history of mankind, has ever received happiness from this type of temporary sense enjoyment. Simple living and high thinking can bring lasting peace in your life. This can be achieved very easily by reading books by A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. Then you will never fall victim to any scam because you will have so much pleasure and peace. This is my personal experience after being fooled all my life.

Candice   Los Angeles

Liberty League caused my divorce.

DO NOT...I REPEAT, DO NOT FALL INTO THIS SCAM!

There are people out there who have made $$ with Liberty League. And they are about only 3% of the company's employees. They are at the top of the Pyramid and have had to Lie, Cheat and Steal to get there. This IS Multi-Level Marketing, even though LL claims not to be.

Here are the cold hard facts:

-You will spend more $$ than you will make
-You will go into debt
-You will take precious time and focus away from pursuing a real career
-You will hurt personal relationships (I'm talking family if you scam them into signing up for this nonsense)
-You will find yourself being dishonest and desperate to make a sale
-You will feel ashamed when it's all said and done
-Most likely you will not make a single sale
-Liberty League does not sell any "real" product...basically they are selling your their training manual on how to scam people and brainwash you into their lifestyle
-This is the quintesential greed of America
-If you want to be inspired, then go buy The Secret on DVD...it has changed my life! The best $10 you will ever spend.
-If you want to be your own boss, save up money and open your own business. Ecommerce is the way to go!

Good Luck everyone....be smart, be successful and pursue your own dreams. Don't scam others as LLI has done for years.

Anonymous   Location unknown

The main factor for me not joining Liberty Leauge was the initial price tag of 1200 dollars... if I had that, would I have to join this business?

Alex   Sydney

Thank god I found this. I was thinking about signing up. Thank you for the information you have provided and saved me a tone of money and hassle.

Human   Being

My wife did Liberty League and then Polaris for 4+ years.
Winner of A Rising Star Award

Here is a husbands view.

You will spend far more than you will take in.
You will pay “The Leaders” monthly to be a member.
You will buy your own advertising.
You will buy a website.
You will pay to maintain it.
You will have printing cost.
You will have to pay for a long distance/international calling plan.
You will buy and hang bandit signs.
You will buy leads.
You will pay to fly to the conferences.
You will pay heavily to stay a extra days.
You will be told to ignore negative postings about the company.
You will buy recommended books and CD’s.
You will pay their friends who will sell you their services.

You will be brainwashed.
You will end up broke.
You will be ashamed.

Is it worth it? NO!!!

As with any “Business Opportunity” do your due diligence.

Dan   USA

I have found LLI/PMG to be a wonderful community. The 80/20 rule applies here just as it does anywhere else in sales and success. (80% of the production comes from 20% of the people) This is not a negative statistic, because it has nothing to do with the legitimacy or integrity of the company, it has to do with human nature. For any company to claim a higher success rate would be statistically inaccurate. The community is filled with positive people who sincerely want to make a difference and their new documentaries and product line up have already had a big impact. If I have been able to produce consistent 6 figure years. (each of the three I have been involved) then I see no reason anyone else wouldn't be able to.

M   Amin

I came into LLI with 10 years of sales and marketing experience. I was a top sales rep and willing to learn. I can tell you that the information that was presented and the reality of it are two different things. Of course, LLI is quick to blame those who don't succeed as not being motivated, serious or committed enough. The truth is that after my "sponsor" got a check for 20K from me I hardly heard from him. I should have gone with my gut feeling about him and the whole LLI organization. If you do decide to join LLI, please do the research outside of the company and in no way get your information from those who part of LLI. I can promise you that there are more people who have NOT had the success they were promised than those who did.

Anonomous   Australia

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T DO IT!!!!! There is no way in the world that you will make the money that they say. I wish there was more information out there when I started in early 2009. I'm in the process of reporting this scam to today tonight and ACCC or fair trading. You should all do the same. If we all stick together we can beat these guys. Please follow me... and write to the authorities. Its the only way!!!!! Even if its just a short and brief letter. The media etc will get in touch with you and you can make an anonymous complaint. Who is with me??????? Lets put this to rest once and for all. NOBODY DESERVES TO BE MISLEAD LIKE THIS. Now is the time. By next Wednesday 12th February lets all get those complaints lodged!!!!!!

Carla   Queensland Australia

I wrote on this forum a few months ago and am saddened to return and find of more people burned by LLI aka PMG.
It's good to know ASIC and Fair Trading are investigating them here in Australia. I would definitely be keen to join a class action. Would be great if they get ordered to give us all refunds regardless of how long ago we were with the company.
Then the founders would know what it feels like to be taken to the cleaners so to speak.

Julie   AZ

Kelly, I totally agree with you. If you were not having any success with selling the BF, they would always tell you to "step up and make the commitment" by buying conference tickets. My question was, " If you can't sell one BF for $1500, how is buying conference tickets going to help"?

Kelly   Texas

In reply to the LLI/PMG apologists: The issue here is not personal responsibility or diligence. The issue here is a "company" that pressures its associates/employees/saps to buy its trips as the key to success. What business anywhere requires its workers to do that? Even Franchisees have HELP from the corporation vs additional costs.
As Mal Mac Rae from down under put it: this is a company that "doesn't really sell a product but moreover sells the right to sell an intangible right to sell." Stay Away

Dermo   Australia

ppl who have failed at this business have done so because they have not taken a sensible outlook on it. You do not need to spend a fortune on marketing because they give you methods that cost next to nothing. That being personal contact. Now if your not good at talking to ppl or arnt an outgoing person then y would u want to start a business where u have to have that type of personality. They tell you that not every one will succeed and that like any other business not every one will become sucessful with it. If your serious about starting your own business then this can work for you and really you dnt need to take a huge finacial risk to find out if it will work for u or not. They give u everything u could possiabily need to succeed with this even if u have had no sales experience. If your going to try it out dont quite your job or spend thousands in marketing instead try the cheaper ways first if they dnt work out for u then more then likely this kind of thing isnt for u. And as for the fake it till u make it comment if u have that mind set your not going to achieve success with this. U dnt lie and say your making a ton of money and have all the time in the world instead you give them testimonials of actual ppl u know that have in fact achieved great success with this business

Tom and Lisa   TX

I just wish I would have found this site years ago! My wife and I were with LLI/PMG from 2006-2009. When we first heard the business overview call, we fell for it, hook, line and sinker! It sounded so easy. Just place a few ads, send them to the call and get paid! We brought all three products no questions asked. We thought LL was the best thing since sliced bread! We went to work right away on our BF and started a marketing campaign. We both worked in corporate America, so we could afford a nice advertising budget. We both ended up quitting our jobs to pursue LL full time and that alone was one the of worst mistakes we made. A few weeks went by with no sales. We went ahead and purchased the other two BF for our training sales for other family members. All of them said LL was nothing but a scam and the BF was an ok product, but not worth the price. Our main mission was to prove them wrong. We attended a couple of the conferences and did blogs bragging about the lifestyle LL enabled us to live, even though the financial debt was mounting. We didn’t want to quit because we would have felt stupid when everyone we knew was telling us what a scam it was. In Feb of this year,we just could no longer keep up with the lie we made so many people believe. We were not rich or living a lifestyle of freedom, we were already more than 100k in debt. We cashed in our 401k plans, depleted our savings, cased in stocks we had for retirement and even took a second mortgage out. We have since had to file bankruptcy. Even our bankruptcy attorney was stunned that we fell for such an obvious scam. Now my wife and I are living in a small one bedroom apartment. We don’t have kids. My wife had to take a job that paid way less than her previous job. I am still unemployed. I’ve talked with a few exLL’s with similar stories and most of us didn’t quit because we still held on to the belief that if we just put more effort into it, we’ll be a top income earner. It was just a very costly lesson we learned. I do hope they get shut down once and for all.

Anon Advisor   California

OK guys, I have been an adviser with LLI For quite some time and continue with Polaris.

Here's the thing, yes, I went into debt when I started my business, and to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars. Funny though, it was me who took out the loans, me who signed the papers, and me who also took responsibility for re-paying it all.

Not someone at corporate, not my advisor. Not the CEO, not anyone but me. I made every decision I made by myself and for myself and I do not regret any of it.

I do not seek to, nor ever will I, be a part of the Scientologist religion.

People have to put in perspective the rewards and risks of pursuing a business in any light and take responsibility for any and all actions the decide to take.

Yes, I might have done it differently in hind sight. Yes, my own decisions led me down a road for a certain time which was uncomfortable (and seemed much worse) for myself and my family.

Yes, I am now on the other side of it and actually have several quite profitable businesses including my continued involvement with LLI/Polaris

Yes, I can tell you it is worth it, whether you get involved in this business or any other.

Yes, you can succeed.

Yes, you can take your licks and get back up.

Yes, people will most likely criticize you for pursuing your own vision of the way you want your life.

Yes, you can also lose everything you have and quit 2 feet from gold and wind up some kind of sob story on a discussion board...if you choose.

LLI/Polaris in and of itself is neither good nor bad. It is a business in which clearly, like all business, most people by the percentages fail.

Its just that LLI offers a hope/allure that others are doing it "and so can you." Which is true and I am living testament to that. But it also gives you a convenient scapegoat to blame for giving up.

I chose to succeed and I chose to do it in LLI/Polaris at all costs. I chose to do it when my ship was sinking. I chose to do it when ALL of my friends and family adivsed me not to.

And guess what?

Now they are all congratulating me on my success, as if they 'knew all along' I could do it. I don't blame them, but I do see the truth:

We are all captains of our own ships, responsible for our own sails, and when we choose to head into the storm for the 'promise land' we must be prepared to do WHATEVER it takes to survive and make it. There isn't anyone on the high seas to hold your hand and commiserate.

If you want a better life, IT IS out there. You just gotta decide you'll accept no less and decide what business is right for you then go get it.

And stay away from forums where people complain about what other people or companies 'did to them' and how bad of a victim they are. Nobody wants to be a victim, so why hang out with them?

My $.02 for what it's worth...if it helps just 1 person it'll be worth it.

Kelly   USA

My spouse got "into" this group without my knowledge. My spouse was encouraged to spend without restraint, continue to go on the trips, and hide it all from me. It is a cult-like group made worse by the insidious encouragement to continue buying more of the trips to the conferences.
I attended one conference with my spouse. The other attendees I spoke to appeared to be desperate, broken souls with the same story as mine - they have given away their savings and gone horribly into debt in the pursuit of the riches promised by this company.
My spouse and I are nearly at the point of divorce. We are $250,000 in debt. There are claims that people who don't make any money at this "business" simply haven't worked at it hard enough or long enough. My spouse has been at this for a year, spending hours each day chasing leads. There are some people in the world who can sell anything to anyone. If you are not one of those types, I advise you to stay away from this company.

chris jenkins   Mackay

I did make money with Liberty League, over $100,000 in 8 months.
At the end of the day success comes from hard work, and i certainly did work hard.
I left because i decided to pursue other career options, but let me just say Liberty League is a wonderful company.
All the people on this page who didn't make money, seem to blame the company. i knew right from the start that if i was to make money it was up to me, like any business. We all know what we are getting into, success does not come easy, it doesn't matter what business you pursue, it's just in direct selling businesses when things get a bit tough people are not prepared to go through the road blocks, therefore it's easier to just blame the company and become a victim, i certainly wouldn't want to go to war with such people.

Dennis   Texas

Don't do it!!! You will be throwing away your money.

These people only care about making their wallets fat. They pretend to care about you, but they don't.

I spent several months working the program, only to be rejected time and time again. My experience cost me nearly $4k.

Don't do it!

Livvy   Brisbane, Australia

I find it interesting that so many people would showcase their apparent failure and blame a company for their results.
If you bought a business and didn't put time, marketing research, and hard work into it and it failed, would it be the person you bought that business's fault for you not succeeding? Myself and my partner run 4 different businesses and we actually use this company's personal development programs to help us achieve the results and success we are enjoying in those businesses.
Strange, perhaps I am just part of that 5% of people that MAKE things happen rather than look to external factors to blame.....