Disciple's Cross Reviews
Legit or Scam?
is a work at home opportunity developed by
pastor John Raymond. Through this
business you will be compensated for
assembling the Christian cross and selling
it back to the company for a profit.
The way it works is you send in for a
starter kit costing $70 which includes an
instructional video and enough materials to
put together 25 Disciples Crosses.
Once you get going you will be ordering
supplies separately based on what kind of
color crosses you want to make.
With any Christian based business
opportunity it's important to be cautious
and do your research. It's sad to say
that many times scammers use Christianity as
a way to conceal the true nature of their
business and use it as a tool to gain the
Disciples Cross is a legitimate company but there are some complaints dealing with the buy back program.
Some crosses were failing
inspection and people were losing money on
shipping and supply fees.
This is a fairly common complaint with
many work at home assembly jobs. If you're
careful and follow the instructions closely
you can reduce your rejection rate.
The other option is to avoid the buy back
program all together and focus on marketing
and selling the crosses on your own.
This can be done on a local level for
instance, at your church, community events,
local shops or on a grander scale such as
eBay or through your own website.
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6:13am on January 19th, 2015
After purchasing all of the necessary supplies (and extra, just in case I had a hard time catching on), I sent in my first test batch. And I never heard from this company again. So I'm out the start up fee, the time I spent learning, and the materials used to make the first 25 I sent. I've made attempts to reach them (via email and FaceBook) but all have been ignored. And if you call the business line, no one answers, and the voice mail is always full. So I've filed a complaint with the BBB (ongoing), and intend to also file with the AG of that state. COMPLETE SCAM.
Gary Gullickson Rochester, Mn.
11:00am on December 26th, 2014
I bought material from disciple's cross, Slidell, La. I was lied to. They are not the honest, Christian people they claim to be. Sometimes you can deal with the Devil and not realize it, until it's too late. Beware!!! There are some good, honest people who sell material. This is not one of them.
Nikki Charlotte, NC
3:31pm on November 24th, 2014
I first bought the kit over 6 years ago and they sent all of my crosses back. But I was able to sell all of the crosses that they sent back. This is a product that sells itself. You may grow immune to the appease of it, but when people see the cross, they instantly love it. I had people who stay in a homeless shelter ordering these back-to-back from me. If you want them to buy back your crosses, then be willing to invest the time (and money) to get good at making them. However, you will find that you can make more money just selling them yourself. It is definitely not a scam, but it is not easy to get them to buy it back, because they want absolute perfection, and that takes time and money since you have to purchase your own supplies. You have to weigh the odds and decide if it is worth investing money to perfect the art of making these crosses so well that they will buy them back from you.
Phillip Lake Brandon, MS
6:31pm on August 31st, 2014
I purchased the kit, made my first 25, had largest portion of them returned, I was shown my mistakes. I decided to take the option of selling them for myself. I am doing well at selling; people really like the crosses. My quality of work is good, but it gets better with each cross. The nails ARE hard to bend if you have problems with your hands. You can buy the nails pre-bent (recommend). I have displays in various places and work with store retailers on profit sharing. I charge $10 per cross. You will not get rich on this but it is more of a mission and I do make some good part-time money to go along with the SS check. IT WORKS IF YOU WORK IT and don't cheat people. It really helps to carry crosses with you and give them away at times. I know several missionarys that give them away to the people on their mission fields. It is a CHRISTIAN thing my friends and I let God tell me what to do, and He never lets me down.
7:28pm on March 12th, 2014
I have been making Disciples Crosses for about 8 years now. I have never used the buy back program because I have so much interest in my community. I purchase my supplies wholesale. If you are willing to do the work, follow the instructions- you will make money in your community. I have been very pleased with my initial investment because it has paid for itself many times over.
11:42am on December 10th, 2013
I had an experience similar to Mary Alice from Houston. I ordered a starter kit, received it promptly, then sent in 10 crosses. All were rejected, although they said my work "showed potential." I ordered supplies and made 50 more crosses. I sent them in October 2013 and have heard nothing back--no rejects, no check, nothing. I left a message and sent them an email and have heard NOTHING. Needless to say I don't trust the company anymore and won't give them any more money.
JimBob SE Texas
3:06pm on September 30th, 2013
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12:01pm on April 29th, 2013
I have not sold one back to the Disciple's Cross folks. To date, I have made over 700 since December 2012 and i have sold over 500. It has opened a whole new ministry for me and folks are responding extremely favorably - i sell them at 3 different churches now and also in a Hallmark store - I will be in trade shows and flea markets this summer and anticipate needing help to fill all the orders. It is what you make of this, just like anything else, you will NOT be an expert at it instantly - i had to make 40 - 50 before i became any good at all
Csaba Pittsburgh, PA
12:16pm on February 19th, 2013
Making these crosses will not pay your mortgage, perhaps your car payments. Surely, we all need extra cash, and years ago I also started to sell the ones I made on my own. (The buy back program not worth it at all.) But when I started to give them away, I saw a far greater impact of God in my life. Nowadays, I make them and give them away. I supply these crosses to a ministry for their overseas missionary trips.
And for the sake of a trade secret: if you accidentally scratch the wire, just color it over with permanent marker. Make sure to do that before you dip it in the clear coat.
2:17pm on January 27th, 2012
I joined awhile back ago and only went with the company for a few months. Started on my own and buying my own supplies. This was when the contract allowed you to buy your own supplies from any where. three years after I have did this on and off with no real profit Pastor John Raymond sued me and 20+ others for patent infringement and the RICO act. A few years after he dropped the charges for not have any legit reason or evidence to sue the people that he did. Now a few that got sued is counter suing and found out that he lied to the courts about his profits and the legit of the patent for the cross he makes. By law if the item is in public circulation for over a year it is public domain and no one can claim it. His web site is still misinforming the public and to my belief the company and Pastor John Raymond is still breaking the law. The crosses are a beautiful thing and can be made by any one the problem is not the crosses it is the man behind the company.
7:58am on October 26th, 2011
My husband and I have been very pleased with Disciples Cross service and quality of supplies. We have made a good amount of profit by selling the crosses at his bands merchandise table. We can barely keep up with the demand we have for crosses, so we don't bother with the buy back program. Bending the nails is a challenge, but gets much easier with experience. This is not a get rich quick scheme or a way to be able to fully support yourself by working at home. But it is a great hobby to make some extra cash if you have a good place to sell them.
1:05pm on November 6th, 2010
just ordered the kit. They may be strict but they expect only the best. Wouldn't you want to sell the best? I'm very excited. I want to make the best so people will want more. God bless n good luck.
A. Pichea Indiana
11:59am on July 28th, 2010
I didn't have much success with the buyback program, but selling them to friends, co-workers, and online proved to be more profitable than attempting to sell them back to the company would have been. It's not a "get-rich-quick" program - you actually have to put the time and effort in to making a quality product and then marketing your product. I use it as a part-time supplemental income.
Steve C Greeley, CO
5:16am on August 18th, 2009
I started making Disciple's Crosses over 2 yrs ago and have been very happy with not only the company, but the response I get from the recipients of my work. Although I have made some money with the crosses, I see the work and the ability to distribute the symbol of my faith more as a witness and a comfort than an income. The income for me really supplements the ability to make more crosses!
Delton H. Tennessee
9:37pm on June 18th, 2009
I ordered the Disciples Cross A while back, Don't remember how long it's been. When I received the kit I tried to watch the instructional video but there wasn't anything on the video. I email them explaining it to them and ask for a good video. I never heard from them. After a couple of weeks I emailed them again asking for another video and since it was a Church affiliated program I offered to pay for the video. Waited, still nothing. Tried to call put never got an answer. I would defiantly say it's a Scam.
Rev. Artee C. Rochester, New York
9:04pm on May 13th, 2009
My comments for all concerned and feel slighted is, after inquires to States Attorney is this, if you believe you want and deserve a refund for your starters kit investment, a class action grievance can result in the refunding of your money. E-mail me at email@example.com and if their really are that many that qualifies for enough complainants there is legal recourse that can be taken. Otherwise, it may be an excellent idea, in this one instance, to keep your opinion to yourself, if, in fact, that's all it really is, your own opinion. If not, and there are really a herd of lagit ranglers out there, like I said, e-mail me at, firstname.lastname@example.org and all in due time can amount to what could be worth your-while. God Bless, Rev. Artee C.
Rev. Artee C. Rochester, New York
6:13pm on May 9th, 2009
For all of us concerned: There is a solution and an answer for all the above over-due and out-dated questions asked, inquiries made, problems encountered, curiosities unsatisfied along with, "GOD'S WILL NEEDING TO BE VERIFIED," etc., etc., from the gauge size of the wire, 20 gauge, to even the very same company they, Disciple's Cross, buys their wires, neck cord by the spool, even their manufactured horseshoe nails, 250 in a box. Yes! with even the solutions for getting an excellent price on pre-bent nails to exact specifications, guaranteed! There's even a special tool along with methods to follow that may be useful for preventing the marring, scarring, scratching and damaging of the color coated copper wire done by the metal pliers I substitute with one of my plastic tools that may definitely also help you tuck tightly and neatly into positions the wiring that may be off-centered too much in one direction as opposed to the other making it slanted.
My name is Rev. Artee C., retired with my 71 year old wife, Etta C. whose e-mail address is, email@example.com. So, Feel Free to e-mail us at any time for answers, suggestions and/or solutions with other valuable information you can guarantee yourself will enable you to make the Disciple's Cross that will meet your specified standards. It's all what requires more space, volume and the time we are not being alloted for here and now.
May The Good Lord Bless You And Yours Now And Forever More; Amen!
Steve Leominster, MA
10:59pm on May 8th, 2009
I found this to be a good program. They are strict about the quality but every cross was marked with a reason as to why they did not except it. My second try at buyback was better as well as with my third try was better than the second. The ones they send back I sell at craft fairs and by word of mouth. I did better at making the tops once I bought the pliers from their website. I also only wrap 7 times on top and sides for one of the requirements is that the number of twists on the top must equal the # of twists on each side. I could not seem to get more than 7 on the sides.
ASHLEY Location unknown
6:34pm on May 8th, 2009
HA HA HA!
12:36am on April 2nd, 2009
I have been researching Disciples Cross and I noticed some of these entries here are kind of old but I was wondering if the reason why the buy back is strict is perhaps other than it's their cross, is to make people strike out on their own. I am an artist and not all my art are up to my standards, of course I want perfection, BUT I have sold a painting or other art project simply because that person liked it. Reading all these and elsewhere I think I will buy into this and sell on my own. I live in a very churchy town so there will be outlets.
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