Disciples Cross

Steve C   Greeley, CO

5:16am on Tuesday, August 18th, 2009 

I started making Disciple's Crosses over 2 yrs ago and have been very happy with not only the company, but the response I get from the recipients of my work. Although I have made some money with the crosses, I see the work and the ability to distribute the symbol of my faith more as a witness and a comfort than an income. The income for me really supplements the ability to make more crosses!

Delton H.   Tennessee

9:37pm on Thursday, June 18th, 2009 

I ordered the Disciples Cross A while back, Don't remember how long it's been. When I received the kit I tried to watch the instructional video but there wasn't anything on the video. I email them explaining it to them and ask for a good video. I never heard from them. After a couple of weeks I emailed them again asking for another video and since it was a Church affiliated program I offered to pay for the video. Waited, still nothing. Tried to call put never got an answer. I would defiantly say it's a Scam.

Rev. Artee C.   Rochester, New York

9:04pm on Wednesday, May 13th, 2009 

My comments for all concerned and feel slighted is, after inquires to States Attorney is this, if you believe you want and deserve a refund for your starters kit investment, a class action grievance can result in the refunding of your money. E-mail me at acalabrese8@rochester.rr.com and if their really are that many that qualifies for enough complainants there is legal recourse that can be taken. Otherwise, it may be an excellent idea, in this one instance, to keep your opinion to yourself, if, in fact, that's all it really is, your own opinion. If not, and there are really a herd of lagit ranglers out there, like I said, e-mail me at, acalabrese8@rochester.rr.com and all in due time can amount to what could be worth your-while. God Bless, Rev. Artee C.

Rev. Artee C.   Rochester, New York

6:13pm on Saturday, May 9th, 2009 

For all of us concerned: There is a solution and an answer for all the above over-due and out-dated questions asked, inquiries made, problems encountered, curiosities unsatisfied along with, "GOD'S WILL NEEDING TO BE VERIFIED," etc., etc., from the gauge size of the wire, 20 gauge, to even the very same company they, Disciple's Cross, buys their wires, neck cord by the spool, even their manufactured horseshoe nails, 250 in a box. Yes! with even the solutions for getting an excellent price on pre-bent nails to exact specifications, guaranteed! There's even a special tool along with methods to follow that may be useful for preventing the marring, scarring, scratching and damaging of the color coated copper wire done by the metal pliers I substitute with one of my plastic tools that may definitely also help you tuck tightly and neatly into positions the wiring that may be off-centered too much in one direction as opposed to the other making it slanted.

My name is Rev. Artee C., retired with my 71 year old wife, Etta C. whose e-mail address is, acalabrese8@rochester.rr.com. So, Feel Free to e-mail us at any time for answers, suggestions and/or solutions with other valuable information you can guarantee yourself will enable you to make the Disciple's Cross that will meet your specified standards. It's all what requires more space, volume and the time we are not being alloted for here and now.

May The Good Lord Bless You And Yours Now And Forever More; Amen!

Steve   Leominster, MA

10:59pm on Friday, May 8th, 2009 

I found this to be a good program. They are strict about the quality but every cross was marked with a reason as to why they did not except it. My second try at buyback was better as well as with my third try was better than the second. The ones they send back I sell at craft fairs and by word of mouth. I did better at making the tops once I bought the pliers from their website. I also only wrap 7 times on top and sides for one of the requirements is that the number of twists on the top must equal the # of twists on each side. I could not seem to get more than 7 on the sides.

ASHLEY   Location unknown

6:34pm on Friday, May 8th, 2009 

HA HA HA!

Julie   Kansas

12:36am on Thursday, April 2nd, 2009 

I have been researching Disciples Cross and I noticed some of these entries here are kind of old but I was wondering if the reason why the buy back is strict is perhaps other than it's their cross, is to make people strike out on their own. I am an artist and not all my art are up to my standards, of course I want perfection, BUT I have sold a painting or other art project simply because that person liked it. Reading all these and elsewhere I think I will buy into this and sell on my own. I live in a very churchy town so there will be outlets.

Anonymous   Location unknown

2:31pm on Thursday, March 26th, 2009

Has anyone ever bothered to call,and ask what the main reasons why the product is turned down and or rejected, mabye that would help, it seems it may have something to do. about the top of the crosses.

Mary Alice   Houston, Tx.

6:33pm on Wednesday, March 4th, 2009 

I ordered the Disciple's Cross Kit several years ago and made the Crosses, and also ordered 1 pre-made Cross already made by them. You know how I know this company is a scam? When I submitted my 10 crosses to be inspected, I sent the 'perfect' Disciple Cross they made for inspection, and guess what- they rejected all of them (even the one they made) and said "you have potential". You can never ever make 'their' crosses good enough. I never did tell them (or 'bust them') on what I did- just to show proof they will reject any crosses (or most of them) when you send them in. I felt they were made as good as they make them and made them to their specifications. Anyone ever asks me about this Company I tell them to stay away from them do not waste your money. I hope they get closed down.

todd   nebraska

8:34pm on Saturday, November 22nd, 2008 

i havent started this yet. just had heard about it and doing some research. im wondering how long it takes you pple to make one cross? the pastor said he makes them in 5 minutes. certainly he has much experience doing it, but i wonder what the average time per cross is once you get somewhat used to doing it? if you sell them on your own, what is the average price they sell for? excellent source of information here, thanks.

Rob   USA

1:32am on Monday, November 10th, 2008 

As several others have stated, near-perfect crosses will be regularly rejected. My suggestion to anyone interested is to purchase pre-bent nails, cords and colored wire from another source and market these on your own. You will easily get $5.00 each and maybe $10.00 at shows for these crosses.
I signed up a few months back and was very pleased with the crosses I was producing. Unfortunately, DC has a slightly more stringent QA program.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with them wanting a high quality product, but the number of crosses rejected is quite high. Look around. Many others will confirm this. Personally, I would like to know the profit from each starter kit. It seems a little high for what you get.
Like I said, buy the materials elsewhere and market you own style of cross on your own!
DC doesn't accept multi-color crosses either by the way.
If you really feel you can produce perfect crosses and want to give this a shot, go for it!
I'm a cristian and truly believe in this product, but they ain't the only show in town!
Just be careful about the copyright thing if you choose to market with the DC name.

God Bless!

Jeff Martis   Central Illinois

1:40pm on Saturday, August 23rd, 2008 

A friend of mine signed up for this program against my advice.

His package showed up, and everything was there that was supposed to be there, but the quality of the wire you were supplied was a very inferior grade and tended to break all the time.

We after two or three days we made 25 crosses while watching movies on TV. I did quality control and checked every xcross to ensure it met standards, We determined that 3 were sub standard so we reassembled them again, and set off all of the crosses into the buyback program.

10 days later we got a pakage bask with 23 crosses that had been determined to be "not of the quality needed in order to qualify for the buy back program".

I have done quality control for 15 years in the auto and building trades industry, and I know how to do quality control. I know without a doubt that all the crosses were built to their exacting standards.

It is very obvious to me that they do not plan to buy back crosses at all, it is just a scam.

Lisa   Location unknown

4:19pm on Wednesday, August 13th, 2008

Can anyone tell me what gauge wire is used for these crosses?

Sheri   Canada

4:46pm on Saturday, June 21st, 2008

I am planning on signing up for DC today but I wanted to do some research first. So far most of what I came accross was positive considering I am Canadian and can't take part in the buy back program. But that's ok with me. I intend to sell them myself anyway. Chances are I will probably be the only producer in my province. If there are any other Canadian producers I would love to hear from you. You can email me at:
norsequeen1980@yahoo.com

Rob   Indiana

9:02am on Sunday, June 15th, 2008 

I quit trying for the Disciples Cross 'perfection' and have focused on my own strategies. I now make and market my own cross. My issues were that each cross sent to D.C. had to be near perfect. Well... Jesus did not expect us to be perfect.. so my crosses are not. That marketing strategy alone has generated me several hundred dollars already. I'm willing to bet Jesus was not crucified on a Perfect Cross.....

I also use REAL leather for my cords. I'm willing to bet Jesus was not whipped with fake or imitation leather waxed cotton cord.

Becky   location unknown

11:32am on Wednesday, May 28th, 2008 

I brought the starter kit and while waiting did some research on Pastor Raymond's program. Anyone interested can find more info reading back dated info at the Yahoo Diciples Cross group page. Very eye opening. Anyway, these are fun to make for sure and I sell them on my own..I by nails locally and have found excellent wire fro Parawire, also you can buy pre-bent nails at nailswiresandpliers.

Jeanna   Pennsylvania

10:09pm on Tuesday, May 20th, 2008

I purchased the starter kit several years ago, and because of my time constraints at the time, I didn't get very involved.
My husband and I are both considering giving this a good go, and obviously we have some concerns.
It's mentioned several times here that they take time to pay you with the buyback program. How much time? Let's say I send in a total of 400 on the first Monday of this month, when would I recieve my payment?
Also, for those who had a hard time meeting the quality control standards, has time helped with this?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Constance   Colorado Springs

4:13pm on Wednesday, May 7th, 2008 

I just purchased the starter kit for $70. I was very excited that it came promptly. the only problem is that I have used up half the nails that come in the kit, trying to make the top of the cross. The bends are difficult because its hard to get them the same without scratching the nail surface. I am afraid to send any crosses for fear of rejection. Has anyone found an easier way to bend the top of the cross?

Pinky   Georgia

9:00pm on Wednesday, February 27th, 2008 

I bought the 70.00 start up kit. The instructional DVD did not play in my player and barely played in my computer. They sent me another which was no better. I made all 25, sent the best 10 in for the "test unit". All were rejected. I must say they are not easy to make but I have been a crafter all my life so I just knew I could make them. I know my first ones were not good but I thought the ones I sent in were. Now I have to decide if I want to invest even more money to buy more kits to possibly be rejected again. I must say IF you have an outlet to sell them yourself, they are really neat! And to note there are other websites to buy the supplies, which you can do If you are not selling them back to Disciples Cross. I am curious if anyone out there has sent more after being rejected and they were accepted.

Frank   Pennsylvania

10:20am on Wednesday, February 27th, 2008 

I just purchased the starter kit today. I then decided to search the internet about these cross'. Yeah, a little late. I am now nervous after reading some of the comments. I am very good with my hands doing all kinds of crafts, but here is my problem. Mostly what I am reading is selling them on your own is the best way, however that is not what I had planned. Although I do very much believe in God, I do not go to church or affiliated with many who do. My question is how would I be accepted trying to sell these to stores or elsewhere? Has anyone else ever had this problem? Please email me with any responses at steagles70@yahoo.com. I would appreciate any ideas. Thank you

Natalie   North Carolina

12:24pm on Tuesday, February 5th, 2008 

I have been in the program for over a year and a half now. They are rather difficult to make and they have rejected all of my crosses that I sent in on the buy-back program, but probably for legitimate reasons. They are hand-made and thus not every one turns out perfectly. I have had good success with very limited marketing on a very local level. Just putting them on consignment at local shops etc, and selling them by word of mouth locally. Even the imperfect ones can be used as great witnessing tools or to pass out to children and adults to read about the things that the materials represent. This has inspired me to possibly give them another try myself! With a little effort they could be very marketable, however, as a distributor you do have to sign an agreement not to directly compete with Pastor John's marketing attempts so I'm not sure about being able to sell many via the internet. You should check into that first!! Thank you!!!!

sue   mass

7:41pm on Wednesday, January 23rd, 2008 

I AM A PRODUCER FOR DISCIPLES CROSS FOR A FEW YRS NOW.I AM VERY SATISFIED WITH THE CUSTOMER SUPPORT, THE SHIPPING TIME FOR YOUR SUPPLY'S IT IS A GREAT BUY BACK PROGRAM. THE ONLY DOWNSIDE TO THIS PROGRAM IS THAT THEY ARE SLOW TO PAY BUT YOU WILL GET PAID !!! THIS IS A HONEST COMPANY .IF YOU FOLLOW ALL THE STEPS CORRECTLY YOUR RETURN YOU BE GREAT .HOPE THIS WILL HELP MANY JOIN DISCIPLE CROSS
IF YOU WOULD LIKE FURTHER INFO CROP ME A LINE AT SUEGLORY777@YAHOO.COM JUST PUT SOMETHING ABOUT DISCIPLES CROSS IN THE SUBJECT LINE .SO I DON'T DELETE YOU THANKS AND GOD BLESS

Denise   Location unknown

6:55pm on Saturday, December 22nd, 2007 

I received my kit in August. I really did not do anything with it until a craft show at our church. Since the craft show, I have made more than the price of the kit selling them to just people at my church. I have not tried to send them back to the company yet. My inventory never seems to be enough to send one entire unit (50 crosses) in. When I think I have made enough, I have more people asking for them.
It does take practice to do the bends right. If you decide to try this, just keep practicing...Even the ones that are not perfect are great witness tools.
I have not found anyone yet who does not like the design of the necklace.
The only problem I find is finding the time to sit down and make them..My 4 kids keep me very busy.

Cathy   Location unknown

12:13pm on Tuesday, December 4th, 2007 

Thanks for the info. I am trying to decide if this is really worth the $70. I'm sure the buy back program is strict but I think marketing on my own is the best route. Still haven't joined but considering.

DENNIS   Location unknown

1:29pm on Monday, December 3rd, 2007 

Just to let you know I been doing these cross for three years the only hard part is making the top of the cross they use pliers to bend I made a tool that makes every bend the same. call me at 973-595-9454 ask for Dennis It just takes time to get paid.

Savannah Robinson   Location unknown

7:46pm on Thursday, November 15th, 2007 

Just want to thank you for your review of this project. I am considering taking on this business and had already decided that the buy back would be one of the drawbacks to success since this is a discretionary process. Thanks again.